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By mr angry manchester
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Politics in this country is now irretrievably broken. The far right have got it sewn up, getting into it now is like getting established in the mob, its a licence to do what you want, for ever. The electorate are rendered docile by their ministry of information (the media) the opposition has gone into meltdown, we are being sent down the U bend of Brexit.

I give up. Its all a bag of shite.
 
By Bones McCoy
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mr angry manchester wrote:Politics in this country is now irretrievably broken. The far right have got it sewn up, getting into it now is like getting established in the mob, its a licence to do what you want, for ever. The electorate are rendered docile by their ministry of information (the media) the opposition has gone into meltdown, we are being sent down the U bend of Brexit.

I give up. Its all a bag of shite.
I posted a few months back where I suggested the right and their pals in teh press had entered the endgame phase.
This is what I was trying to communicate.

Every move is now aimed at the biggest possible short-term gain and screw the consequences.
They're alright, and accountability no longer exists.
 
By youngian
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Not only has May no diplomatic acumen but unlike Thatcher, she has no wise old birds like Whitelaw or Hurd to guide her through the traps. Sir Ivan Rogers and is his team were regarded as the top dogs in EU diplomacy. His resignation is more of a blow to May's credibility than most lay people in the UK will ever know.
 
By Littlejohn's brain
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youngian wrote:Not only has May no diplomatic acumen but unlike Thatcher, she has no wise old birds like Whitelaw or Hurd to guide her through the traps. Sir Ivan Rogers and is his team were regarded as the top dogs in EU diplomacy. His resignation is more of a blow to May's credibility than most lay people in the UK will ever know.
Yeah but this is brexit Britain we don't need experts, all we need is the will of the 52%
 
By youngian
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Yeah but this is brexit Britain we don't need experts, all we need is the will of the 52%
This is becoming clear by the declining quality of Brexit defenders. R4's Farming Today usually has rigourous reporting but this week we had to listen to man in his own pub Tim Martin defend how great international agricultural trade would be after Brexit. Talked in general abstracts and out of his arse it may as well have been Partridge. Today Toby Young treated us to his expertise on negotiating trade deals.
 
By youngian
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May made a brief mention to this in her conference speech and it was only Newton Dunn who picked it up trying to portray May as Billy Big Bollocks. But the press seems to be six months behind on most EU issues.

Isn't this supposed to be Emily Thornberry's job?
Our National Security Cannot Be Used As A Brexit Bargaining Chip
Yvette Cooper

Today, the Prime Minister triggered Article 50. As she did so, with no warning she launched a veiled threat to Europe over security cooperation. Two hours later the Home Secretary made it worse - threatening to withhold security information from Europe if we don’t get the deal we need.

This is irresponsible and dangerous and it is a terrible way to start the negotiations. Whatever the deal ends up being on trade or immigration, everyone agrees that security cooperation must continue. It must not be a bargaining chip or held hostage in wider talks. The Prime Minister should urgently make clear that she will not play games over security cooperation and will rule out walking away without a security deal.

Until now, I had assumed - or at least hoped - that security would be sorted separately. That the difficult negotiations would be surrounding the inevitable trade-offs and disputes over trade, immigration and money, but that security cooperation would not be dragged into the bargaining. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/yvette- ... 1490807222&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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