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By Malcolm Armsteen
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It's because a) primary teaching is perceived as low-status, and b) they tend to be specialists. On the other hand the chances of promotion are much better for men in primary.
Also, women have always been seen as the 'caring' sex, and men in secondary don't need to care...
By Tubby Isaacs
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We were talking about the Toby Young Academy the other day. On The Politics Show, it was said that Latin was going to be compulsory.

At my (minor public) school it wasn't compulsory. I shouldn't think half did it. There were only 2 sets compared with 5 for English etc.

But "don't come here, blacks" is the whole point of this.
By Malcolm Armsteen
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:It's because a) primary teaching is perceived as low-status, and b) they tend to be specialists.
I don't get the specialist bit there. Why should that affect whether men want to do it?
Historically (not in the last few years) men in teaching tended to be graduates, and women did not. The graduates had to have a specialism, the cert ed was a general qualification. There was also a lot of baggage about being academics, which tended to leach out of the public schools. Now the profession is all graduate this has changed somewhat, but not enough to materially alter the profile. On the basis of no empirical evidence whatsoever I would say that it has led to more women in secondaries and not many more men in primaries.
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12.32pm: Gove has finished. Here are the main points from his speech:

• Simon Schama has agreed to advise the national curriculum review of history. Gove said he wanted pupils to be taught narrative British history. Too often, he said, they just learn a mix of topics at primary school and Hitler and Henry VIII at secondary school "without knowing how the vivid episodes of our past become a connected narrative", adding: "This trashing of our past has to stop."

In a statement, Schama said better history teaching would make Britain "richer and stronger":

A return to coherent gripping history is not a step backwards to dry-as-dust instruction. It represents a moment of cultural and educational rediscovery.

Without this renewed sense of our common story - one full of contention not self-congratulation - we will be a poorer and weaker Britain.

With a rebirth of history in our curriculum we will be richer and stronger. That's what the great argument, the sound and fury, the excitement and joy of connecting with our ancestry does.

• Headteachers will be given the power to discipline pupils if they misbehave outside school premises. The government will introduce these changes through legislation and guidance, Gove said, telling delegates: "We have to stop treating adults like children and children like adults. Under this government, we will ensure that the balance of power in the classroom changes and teachers are back in charge."

• Spelling, grammar and punctuation will be made to count in exams. Gove said Labour removed the requirement for a set number of marks to be awarded for these factors in exams. Ofqual, the exams regulator, will be asked to produce proposals for achieving this.

• Academies will open in Department for Education properties. Gove said his department had more than 100 buildings, and that some were empty. This space would be used for academies, he said.

Gove said he was determined to improve the life chances of pupils because, as an adopted child, he himself had been given "a second chance". Only 45 of the very poorest pupils get into top universities every year, he said. "This waste of talent, this squandering of human potential, this grotesque failure to give all our fellow citizens an equal chance is a reproach to our conscience," he added

• Gove described the Conservatives as "the party of the teacher".
the underlined perticually annoyed me, because it's completely bloody meaningless. what are you actually going to do? "determination to imporve" is not actually a thing.
By Andy McDandy
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Reminds me of when I was about 14 or so, and a leaflet detailing the Citizens' Charter fell through our letterbox.

It said that everyone had the right to certain things. Closer reading explained that this meant people had the right to expect certain things and standards. Big difference between expecting and getting though.

Otherwise, erm...

History isn't really a narrative. It's more about teaching people how to weigh up evidence and construct a decent argument. Still, as long as it's not "...and then we beat some other people in a war...", I'll reserve judgement.
By Malcolm Armsteen
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Absolutely correct. History is partly about a story (what a ponce like Schama would call the narrative) and mostly about logical and critical thinking.

Which it has been since HMI revamped history teaching c1976.

I'm continually amazed that Gove keeps finding 'new' things to do that have been standard for years...

As for the 'heads can discipline kids wherever they are' - how long before, as part of the Big Society™ heads are 'expected' to pop out into their local communities and discipline young troublemakers?

We used to get that years ago - "Some of your kids are doing X, can you come and sort them out?" "Call the police" "They won't come..."
And it generally turned out they weren't our kids at all.
By Tubby Isaacs
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That second last Gove bit is very strange. Adoption isn't a "second chance". How has the adoptee done anything wrong? If you're adopted in a middle class family I presume you have a decent chance of doing OK. That has nothing to do with the "poorest 45". He's stuck that in as a bullshit bit of personal colour.
By Malcolm Armsteen
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Perhaps if Gove is willing to give up buildings he could start with his HQ, Sanctuary Buildings in Great Smith Street. Nearest neighbours Westminster Abbey, the Church commissioners and the Cinnamon Club. Allegedly the most expensive office space in London, a huge glass tube built into the shell of an Edwardian building, with two-story fountains coming up from the basement, and where gardeners absail down the inside of the tube to tend the tropical trees...
Where the refurbishment of the waiting area cost almost as much as a small primary school. Where expensive art hangs in the ministerial corridor...

Would make an interesting school, or if sold would fetch many millions. Do you think it'll happen? No, me neither.
By Malcolm Armsteen
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Narrative is just a clever word for teaching stuff in chronological order here isn't it?

How is teaching stuff in modules "Trashing history"? That's a phrase to give the audience stiffies.
The chronological order has been in the National Curriculum for years. At least 12. It is largely British, plus a few bits of forrin like Ancient Egypt. It's taught in half-term lumps, so I suppose that makes it modular, in much the same way as a year consists of month modules.
And nothing after 1945 - a rule brought in by the blessed Maggie so that us leftie teachers couldn't 'do' the Welfare State...

(But we did anyway)
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