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By Tubby Isaacs
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Oaten was a member of the Advisory Board of the Liberal Future think tank until it was wound up in 2005, and one of the contributors to the The Orange Book: Reclaiming Liberalism in 2004 - although he attracted anger from the book's co-authors at its launch event at the Lib Dem Conference in Spring 2004 when he refused to answer questions about his own chapter, stating that it had actually been written by his research assistant, and that he had not even read it.
Maybe drifting off the subject, but that rather shows how little the neo-liberals actually had. Basically David Laws and some people behind the scenes.

To think he was a serious leadership contender after this.
By Andy McDandy
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That or the media are scenting blood and are determined to flag up the bad stuff like never before.

Or it may be something else. I'm not sure who said it (might have been Michael Dobbs) but their description of the Tory conference was a series of pitches for the leadership capped off by the PM's right of reply. They've got this idea that the haemorrhage of voters to the left can't be helped, but they can do something about the loss of ground to the right (UKIP). So swing to the right, hope that Labour move further to the left, and that any floating voters (the LDs being written off) get scared by the concept of mild socialism dressed up by Crosby as North Korea on a bad day.

So in short, they'll dump Cameron at the next election (unless he wins an outright majority) and the big hitters are making their pitches for party leadership.
 
By youngian
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Andy McDandy wrote: Or it may be something else. I'm not sure who said it (might have been Michael Dobbs) but their description of the Tory conference was a series of pitches for the leadership capped off by the PM's right of reply.
Strangely I was wathching Osborne in leadership pitching mode complete with hamfisted jokes at lunchtime. This immediately recalled Dodd's House of Cards in which a cabinet contender was doing exactly the same and Urquart turns to us to say: "what an idiot".
Andy McDandy wrote: They've got this idea that the haemorrhage of voters to the left can't be helped, but they can do something about the loss of ground to the right (UKIP). So swing to the right, hope that Labour move further to the left, and that any floating voters (the LDs being written off) get scared by the concept of mild socialism dressed up by Crosby as North Korea on a bad day.
Thats a good analysis that makes sense with council and European elections coming.

Party polling perhaps suggests centrist touchy feely loses two gin & Jag and turnip taliban votes to UKIP for a possible gain of one middle of the road voter.
 
By The Red Arrow
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The incredible shrinking Tory party
The attendance figures for the Conservative party conference tell a tale of how David Cameron lost his core membership and let the bankers in
Naturally, it kicks off with a message from the PM. "Our conference is the perfect opportunity … for all delegates and participants to discuss the key issues of the day with a wide variety of politicians, charities, business leaders, international guests, and interest groups." This is the image the Tories want to push in their sales brochure for sponsors: that this week's get-together in Manchester is less about the clash of ideas, and more an exclusive networking event.

On it goes, touting "exciting opportunities" to highlight your firm's message. For a minimum of £20,000 plus VAT, you get to sponsor the VIP lounge (the Blue Room, natch) where "high-profile guests can relax, hold briefings". Illustrating the point is a photo of Iain Duncan Smith and Tory pollster Lord Ashcroft having a private moment by a tray of sundaes. Too expensive? Then £5,000-plus will get you access to an invite-only party, with the implicit promise of facetime with a minister. Another picture of Ashcroft, this time at dinner with George Osborne and Ken Clarke.

But the most telling page has neither ad copy nor photos. Under the headline "Who comes to our conference?" is a pie chart: 4% event support; 2% international; 20% media. Then the two biggest slices: 38% party members and 36% commercial/charity/exhibitors. In other words, barely a third of those swarming Manchester this week are paid-up Conservatives – and they are almost equalled by corporate lobbyists.

Of all the mainstream parties, it is the Tories that have retreated furthest and fastest from being a mass party. In 1953, the party had 2.8 million members. By 2001, that was 311,000. Under Cameron, the figure is 134,000. And that's if you believe the numbers from Tory HQ; some observers, not all hostile, think the total is on the verge of dropping below six figures. As well as withering, the grassroots are ageing: the average member is now 68 years old. The party "for hardworking people" is in reality the party of OAPs.
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By mattomac
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The Red Arrow wrote:The incredible shrinking Tory party
The attendance figures for the Conservative party conference tell a tale of how David Cameron lost his core membership and let the bankers in
Naturally, it kicks off with a message from the PM. "Our conference is the perfect opportunity … for all delegates and participants to discuss the key issues of the day with a wide variety of politicians, charities, business leaders, international guests, and interest groups." This is the image the Tories want to push in their sales brochure for sponsors: that this week's get-together in Manchester is less about the clash of ideas, and more an exclusive networking event.

On it goes, touting "exciting opportunities" to highlight your firm's message. For a minimum of £20,000 plus VAT, you get to sponsor the VIP lounge (the Blue Room, natch) where "high-profile guests can relax, hold briefings". Illustrating the point is a photo of Iain Duncan Smith and Tory pollster Lord Ashcroft having a private moment by a tray of sundaes. Too expensive? Then £5,000-plus will get you access to an invite-only party, with the implicit promise of facetime with a minister. Another picture of Ashcroft, this time at dinner with George Osborne and Ken Clarke.

But the most telling page has neither ad copy nor photos. Under the headline "Who comes to our conference?" is a pie chart: 4% event support; 2% international; 20% media. Then the two biggest slices: 38% party members and 36% commercial/charity/exhibitors. In other words, barely a third of those swarming Manchester this week are paid-up Conservatives – and they are almost equalled by corporate lobbyists.

Of all the mainstream parties, it is the Tories that have retreated furthest and fastest from being a mass party. In 1953, the party had 2.8 million members. By 2001, that was 311,000. Under Cameron, the figure is 134,000. And that's if you believe the numbers from Tory HQ; some observers, not all hostile, think the total is on the verge of dropping below six figures. As well as withering, the grassroots are ageing: the average member is now 68 years old. The party "for hardworking people" is in reality the party of OAPs.
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Can only hope it continues....
 
By Big Arnold
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No aid for the hungry says Tory MP
EMERGENCY food parcels should not be given to people as they could get too reliant on handouts, a Tory MP has said.

Paul Maynard, MP for Blackpool North and Cleveleys, was at a food poverty summit in Manchester,

He said: “I do not believe immediate food relief should be the role of the Government.

“What I don’t want to do is normalise food poverty.”
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By Big Arnold
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Also.
Tory MP Paul Maynard suggests food banks could become a 'habit' for people in poverty
Comments made by Blackpool MP described as 'inaccurate' and 'demeaning people with dignity'

Mr Mould explained that a person can only be given three vouchers, each of which provide provide three days of nutritionally balanced, non-perishable food. The vouchers are given out by job centres, doctors and social workers. He said they have to system in place to alert them if someone comes in with a fourth voucher. He said the average amount a person uses their service in a year is less than three times, showing “people are not reliant, they have not developed a habit.”
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By mattomac
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Arnold wrote:
No aid for the hungry says Tory MP
EMERGENCY food parcels should not be given to people as they could get too reliant on handouts, a Tory MP has said.

Paul Maynard, MP for Blackpool North and Cleveleys, was at a food poverty summit in Manchester,

He said: “I do not believe immediate food relief should be the role of the Government.

“What I don’t want to do is normalise food poverty.”
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ys-Tory-MP" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'd be very careful if I was Paul Maynard that majority isn't very big and Blackpool seems to be earmarked by the coalition as the centre of fracking.
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