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Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:48 pm
by Arrowhead
davidjay wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:13 pm
11% of the population supporting a party with an openly racist leader who appoints violent criminals to positions of authority isn't cause for rejoicing.
Very true, but personally I'd far rather have those idiots out in the open where we can clearly see them parading under their own banner, rather than artificially boosting the Tory % share as per the past few years. Anything which causes the Tory electoral coalition to unravel is a good thing IMO.

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:15 am
by Big Arnold
davidjay wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:13 pm
11% of the population supporting a party with an openly racist leader who appoints violent criminals to positions of authority isn't cause for rejoicing.
Better than them voting Tory though. With any luck the Brexit Party will fragment the racist nutter vote even more.

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am
by Bones McCoy
Maybe we start up another couple of near-tory splinter groups.

Real Conservatives for Brexit

Democratic Conservatives No EU Low Tax.

If each one pares off 5% in a marginal...

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:17 am
by Andy McDandy
Conservative Unionist No Treaty....

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:34 pm
by Timbo
You could probably get 10-12% these days with dog-whistle word salad:

e.g. "The time to bring back matron birch hanging party"

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:30 pm
by mattomac
No doubt come the elections the Brexit party and UKIP will confuse a fair few of their supporters.

Then again a pencil does that.

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:46 pm
by The Red Arrow
A Tale of Two Titties...*


Will those who've attacked @DavidLammy have a go a Hezza now?





*one of whom, to be fair, knows what he's talking about.

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:30 pm
by The Red Arrow
Rumbling along. There's some danger of an informed debate breaking out. Be interesting to see how our fair, free and cherished press play this.




Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:43 pm
by Boiler
I think we know *exactly* how this will play out :(

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:30 am
by bluebellnutter
Parliamentary ginger group? Has Jacob dyed his hair?

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:05 am
by davidjay
"I feel sorry for" - In other words, "I dropped a bollock but I'm too arrogant to apologise".

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:18 pm
by youngian
I think there’s enough Tory headbangers so livid over Brexit that they’d no longer even care if their vote placed Corbyn into No 10

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:33 pm
by Oblomov
I see Tebbit is still bitter over not being cast as Harry Brown.

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:28 pm
by Abernathy
On Radio 4 there was an item on the wave of knife crime affecting London and other English cities, and the discussion turned to the holistic approach towards the problem, treating it basically in terms of it being a sort of problem of public health, taken by Glasgow, which has had some success with this approach.

An expert talking head was asked whether this could work, and her reply was that it must work. However, it depended on multi-agency co-ordination. For example, across the housing, prisons, education, social work, policing and local government sectors. There needs to be housing for offenders leaving prison. There needs to be rehabilitation programmes in prisons. There needs to be a re-building of community cohesion. There needs to be youth workers guiding our kids.

Pondering the notion that what is needed is for all of these things to be - well, just adequate, really, just properly functioning, I found my self thinking that basically, we have the problems that we do with knife crime because everything is shit. The resources we need for all of those things have left them falling short of what is needed at every single level.

At the most basic level, that's the explanation. And why is everything shit? Because for 10 years, government, Tory/Lib Dem and then Brexity Tory, has made it so. Austerity, then wasting billions on acting out some idiotic Tory anti-European ideological fantasy instead of addressing the real needs of people. A self-destructive charge towards everything being deliberately made even more shit than it is already. And as a bonus, an upsurge in racism, xenophobia, and far right terrorism (MPs facing routine death threats and even an actual MP being actually murdered).

I hate it. I hate everything being so shit. And I hate that it was deliberately made so utterly shit because that's what Tories do, but that this bunch had done it with fucking knobs on.

I hate it so much, I've become gibberingly incoherent.

Re: The Tories, Generally

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:17 am
by cycloon
Don't forget to hate the fact they do all this and still get away with it because the conceits they rest on are so so powerful.