mr angry manchester wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:50 pm
It wouldn't be a bad thing for Labour to take over nationalism, but not the shit side of it, like flag waving and our boys, but the positive side, calling out shite like this, asking why the Dutch and Germans or whoever owns the railways, why Saudis own half of London and why we don't make anything any more
That. Definitely that.
I caught some of a Policy Exchange webinar from the virtual Labour conference earlier, on how to win back the Red Wall. I say "some", because I decided to do something else after two out of four of the panelists reckoned that people from Red Wall seats reckoned that Labour wasn't patriotic enough, so we needed to be more patriotic.
What "patriotic" meant was never said, but the words "social conservative" were, so I assume it meant what The Sun
says it does.
Also, we had to take absolutely all of the blame that people who didn't think that Labour politicians should eat quinoa (yes, it was mentioned by name) voted Tory because "Boris gave them hope".
That and free unicorns with every ballot paper. Neither of which you can pay your rent or feed your family with.
I'm not defending Corbyn or saying that the GE campaign couldn't have been done better - that it could've been is a point I'll come to. But they were given a costed manifesto, full of things that the government is hoping nobody'll notice it's suddenly decided it can afford to do a few months later, and the Murdoch press now thinks is a brilliant idea when Tories have it - and swathes of them openly admitted that they couldn't care less because they "just wanted to get Brexit done" (TM my mother).
One of the pivotal moments the rot set into recent UK political discourse for me was when Gordon Brown was publicly pilloried for calling a bigot a bigot because it hurt bigots' feelings. My opinions on the idea that you can't be authentically working class if you're not uneducated and hateful are a matter of public record around here.
I'm not saying that I'm all for being ideologically pure, and not caring if the Tories burn the country down around us as long as we stay that way - that's not something we can afford - but Labour's never been about a race to the bottom.
If we go racing off to the right to chase people for whom that's a deal breaker, all we do is put a cigarette paper between ourselves and the Lib Dems or ourselves and the Tories. And if you can't tell the difference between us and them, then what's the point?
In other words, I find a bitter irony in people complaining that we should move to be more like other parties purely to placate people who complain that "politicians are all the same".
As I was saying to my CLP during the last GE campaign: we needed to be explaining on the doorstep why we're doing what we're doing - and why there's nothing un-patriotic about it - and how it'll improve people's lives in ways they understand, rather than letting the Tories dictate the narrative.