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By Catkins
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Wasn't a Bill to ensure rented flats had minimum safety standards and were fit for human habitation talked out by the gruesome twosome of Christopher Chope and David Davies recently?

Edit: no it was a far larger number of Tory bastard http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09691.html. Chope and Davies had previously talked out smoke detector legislation.
 
By youngian
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If the Mirror can't stand this story up then its a tasteless piece of shit stirring at this stage. If they can than May is not a lucky general.
Theresa May's chief of staff 'sat on' report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire
A coroner's report into a previous fire recommended a review of building regulations four years ago. Successive ministers said they were "still looking at it."

Theresa May’s new chief of staff was one of a series of housing ministers who “sat on” a report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire for four years.

A former Chief Fire Officer and secretary of a parliamentary group on fire safety today revealed successive ministers had had damning evidence on their desks since 2013 and nothing had happened.

And the Labour MP who chairs the group said ministers had “sat on” the recommendations for almost four years.

Gavin Barwell, who was housing minister until losing his seat in last week’s election, promised to review part B of the Building Regulations 2010, which relate to fire safety, but the review never materialised.

A coroner’s investigation into the blaze at Lakanal House in South London in 2009, which claimed six lives, found panels on the exterior of the block had not provided the required fire resistance and insufficient fire risk assessments had been made.

The coroner made a series of recommendation following the tragedy, but while some have been taken up, a full review of building regulations has yet to take place.

The Mirror approached Number 10 and the Department for Communities and Local Government for comment.

Ronnie King, honorary administrative secretary of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Fire Safety and Rescue and a former Chief Fire Officer, told LBC Radio this morning they had “strongly recommended” installing fire suppression systems and sprinklers in 4,000 similar tower blocks across the country.

He said: “We were strongly recommending this because the fire at Lakanal House spread within four minutes and came into the flat above and then went on to kill six people, regrettably.”

Mr King said it was likely similar failings existed in West London’s Grenfell House, which erupted in flames in the early hours of this morning. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/t ... t-10620357" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By Bones McCoy
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Kreuzberger wrote:Listening to various rolling-news outlets, it would seem that the recriminations are coming thick and fast. The recurring themes are inertia and cuts.

Perhaps the Evening Standard will lead the charge.
I think it would be premature premature, and tasteless, to step off with political attacks at present.

While saying that, it's important to regularly press the narrative that austerity means necessary stuff doesn't get done.
Today's efficiency savings are liable to become tomorrow's neglected infrastructure.


Events like this can work as a curse on "unlucky" rulers.
Since times immemorial, chinese emperors feared natural disasters which were seen as their loss of the "Mandate of heaven".
Today it's more likely to be part of the drip-drip-drip of bad news.

Initial rumours also grow legs at times like this, irrespective of facts.
An example is the 1955 Le Mans disaster.
Rumours in radical political circles claimed that Pierre Leveigh chose to crash his Merceeded into the crowd (lower class types) rather than hit a fellow driver (The elite).
The enquiry and film footage proved this untrue, but too late to contradict the rumour.
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By Big Arnold
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Watchman wrote:and somehow by 9:00 am the Mail knew it had been caused by a faulty fridge
That seems to have been claimed by a survivor who said it was his fridge. So I can't see a problem with the media reporting it.

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By bluebellnutter
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Bones McCoy wrote:
Kreuzberger wrote:Listening to various rolling-news outlets, it would seem that the recriminations are coming thick and fast. The recurring themes are inertia and cuts.

Perhaps the Evening Standard will lead the charge.
I think it would be premature premature, and tasteless, to step off with political attacks at present.

While saying that, it's important to regularly press the narrative that austerity means necessary stuff doesn't get done.
Today's efficiency savings are liable to become tomorrow's neglected infrastructure.
Sadiq got it spot on (as per) saying "yes, we will need to ask questions but right now this is a search and rescue mission".
By Andy McDandy
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A Facebook friend has pointed out a few things here. First, while the response to this fire was prompt, what if there had been another major fire in London last night? Are there enough fire fighters to go round? What if we have another wave of riots? Second a big concern is access to these estates. Can appliances get in? Third, the political angle. Bills to install compulsory smoke detectors and for better general social and rented housing safety have been talked out and defeated in recent years, primarily by landlord MPs.

This is a major issue, and one with the government's fingers all over it. Still, even the Express is acknowledging that the fact many Muslim residents were up late having Ramadan late meals was a major factor in many lives being saved.
By Andy McDandy
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The media are always quick to spot a government on the ropes and move in for a kicking. Hence why issues that would have prompted "Sleaze!" headlines in 1997 got nary a mention under Cameron's watch. One government was seen to be on the way out, the other wasn't.
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