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By Bones McCoy
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visage wrote:I highly doubt hes done anything illegal - but most people would expect to be fired for browsing grot on a work computer, or at the very least get a massive bollocking.
If rumours of his "workrate" are are close to the mark, massive bollocks will be the least likely of his complaints.
 
By youngian
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I agree with this the police officer has been out of order in revealing this information about Green who hasn't committed a crime. The caveat is that I don't give a toss if they're sticking the boot into this rotten and dangerous Government. Has David Davis resigned yet?
Damian Green: Police breached conduct code says ex attorney general

Ex-detectives who disclosed that legal pornography was found on Damian Green's office computer were in "flagrant breach" of their code of conduct, a former attorney general has said.
Dominic Grieve said their actions smacked of the "police state".

However, a former chief constable told the BBC the information was in the public interest.

First Secretary of State Mr Green denies watching or downloading pornography on his computer.

Tory MPs, including Brexit Secretary David Davis, have backed Mr Green - effectively Theresa May's second-in-command - saying it was wrong for such claims to emerge through the media. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42205329" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By Catkins
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However, a former chief constable told the BBC the information was in the public interest.
No, it's what the public are interested in, which is something completely different. Like Youngian I struggle to find any personal sympathy for Green, but the police here are flagrantly breaching the law, backed up by senior officers who ought to know better.
 
By youngian
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This episode was also the result of the then speaker Michael Martin allowing the police into the House without a warrant to make what was an illegal search. This is now entangled with issues about a minister jerking off at work to porn when the rest of us would get the sack; one law for them etc.
 
By Boiler
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Awkward - if you've got a company-provided laptop, you log in via some form of Remote Access Server and then use it for 'unofficial' purposes... quite apart from any security risk you're exposing the corporate server to.

Still smells of vendetta to me; in fact, is it even wise discussing the whys and wherefores of this business as I can easily see this coming to trial?
 
By Big Arnold
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Catkins wrote:
However, a former chief constable told the BBC the information was in the public interest.
No, it's what the public are interested in, which is something completely different. Like Youngian I struggle to find any personal sympathy for Green, but the police here are flagrantly breaching the law, backed up by senior officers who ought to know better.
It is different, but I'd say it was in the public interest. A government minister who may have had extreme porn on his computer and lying about it. Whistle blowing can be justified, but I'm suspending judgment.
By satnav
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I'm sure I read somewhere last night that the person conducting the inquiry into Damian Green had not bothered speaking to the ex-police officer who had examined Green's computer. If that is the case then the ex-officer is fully justified in speaking out. Any inquiry that fails to key witnesses can be nothing more than a whitewash.
 
By Daley Mayle
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Mr Lewis, the ex-police computer forensic analyst, was said to be incensed when Mr Quick (the ex-Plod who was involved in the raid on Green's office) was being trashed by the right wing media and the Tories. Mr Lewis decided to come forward and give some backing to Mr Quick's allegations about the porn stash found on computers in Green's office.

Bob Quick and Damian Green have a feud going back nearly a decade...
The decade-long feud between Damian Green and Bob Quick, now coming to a head with a Cabinet Office investigation into Green, can be traced back to a day in 2006 when a young civil servant working in Jacqui Smith’s Home Office was allegedly told by the now first secretary of state to get “as much dirt on the Labour party, the Labour government as possible”.

Christopher Galley had approached Green’s then boss, David Davis, who was the shadow home secretary, saying he was a committed Conservative and was willing to leak material.

Davis introduced Galley, who was then working in immigration, to Green, who was the Tory immigration spokesman. Galley, later on in a police interview, said he had wanted a “parliamentary job” with the Tories. Green repeatedly promised to “try to find something” but said “he wanted as much information as possible to damage them”, Galley said.
More, much more here...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -bob-quick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By Catkins
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It is different, but I'd say it was in the public interest. A government minister who may have had extreme porn on his computer and lying about it. Whistle blowing can be justified, but I'm suspending judgment.
In this case it's probably impossible to reconcile the need for the police to obey the law, with the need for Green to be treated like a normal employee. Having porn discovered on a work computer would normally result in a sacking, so I've no sympathy for him.

Extreme porn has a specific legal definition (albeit one that wasn't in place at the time of the police raid). The police appear to be walking back their claims of extreme (ie illegal) porn and now it's alleged to be of the vanilla kind. They investigated him 7 years ago for a completely different matter. Just because they found unrelated but embarrassing stuff during that investigation, they don't have a right to reveal it. It's not about Green - it's about the police assuming the right to expose private information. If the police investigated Joe Blogs for something and later found him to be innocent, I wouldn't want them ringing his employer to tell them they found titties on his work laptop in order to stick the boot in.
 
By Catkins
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Catkins, it all boils down to a two-way vendetta between Quick and Green. It's a reversal of what the Mafia say in a sad voice as they stick the knife in, 'This isn't personal, it's business'.
To quote Ian Hislop, "Why can't they both lose?"
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