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By youngian
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spoonman wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:06 pm
I dunno about the rest of you all, but the language Ms. Patel has come out with makes it unambiguous that she is either a Fascist or is very sympathetic to Fascism.
A thick populist but I doubt Patel has formulated a big picture level of political philosophy like fascism. She doesn't even understand conservatism if she thinks its 'lefty' lawyers who are keen to uphold the rule of law over the executive. Its a pity the Tories have sacked all the people like Dominic Grieve who could explain it to her.
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By The Red Arrow
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Week in Review: Patel deepens the moral collapse of the Home Office

By Ian Dunt
Friday, 14 August 2020 2:33 PM
Angering the left evidently isn't some charming side-effect of her legislation, or proof that she is pursuing a successful course. It is the purpose of the legislation. This sounds deranged, a government operating according to the pleasure it derives from upsetting its opponents. But in fact it is an increasingly common way of conducting politics.

That, after all, is what we see online when someone proudly proclaims that they've been 'blocked by X' - the celebration of having upset those who think differently. That's the emotional undercurrent to the manner in which so much debate is conducted online, trying to frame statements in the way that will most provoke the other side, gaining a kind of succour from their offence.

This is the blood-circulation of tribalism, the way it rots the brain, making your sense of the world dependent on the reactions of those like you and unlike you, rather than the empirical reality of it. Ironically it entails a kind of slavery, where your own sense of who you are and what you want is defined in the negative by your opponents. It is now, and has been for some time, the operating manual of British government. Patel's response to the made-up refugee crisis is an example of it.
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... f-the-home
 
By davidjay
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As James O'Brien said a few weeks ago, and as I've been waiting to find an excuse to repeat, we're now in the footballisation of politics. You don't want to be better off, you don't want a better society, it's all about rubbing the lefties noses in it. "You lost, get over it," "Eighty seat majority ha ha ha," "Socialists are mentally ill and need treatment". God help us.
 
By Boiler
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davidjay wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:34 am
As James O'Brien said a few weeks ago, and as I've been waiting to find an excuse to repeat, we're now in the footballisation of politics. You don't want to be better off, you don't want a better society, it's all about rubbing the lefties noses in it. "You lost, get over it," "Eighty seat majority ha ha ha," "Socialists are mentally ill and need treatment". God help us.
And the number of forums where I've seen this overtly written - "it's fun cos it winds up lefties, innit?"
 
By youngian
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‪Isn’t it illegal to send back asylum seekers that face torture? The Home Secretary’s word on the matter should carry great weight in court.
Priti Patel is said to have suggested migrants who attempt to cross the Channel are doing so because they believe France is a “racist” country.

The home secretary added they “feared being tortured if they stayed” and thought they would be treated better if they made it to the UK

The comments risk worsening relations with Paris over the crisis after they were made to a group of Tory MPs in a Zoom call. https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... -as-racist
 
By Timbo
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If we were proactively establishing safe zones, and/or engaging properly with efforts to get people out of danger zones and resettling them in the UK in anything approaching reasonable numbers, I could probably get on board with the idea of deterring manual crossings from France.

It isn't entirely unreasonable to expect that people who have made it to the EU should be settled there, in a distributed and proportionate manner. The concept of 'first safe country' to which we are all ostensibly still agreed has become an absolute farce. The French don't want to do anything that forces them to officially recognise the existence of these migrants (such as receiving them back in deportation from the UK) as they will then become fully responsible for them.

Until we step up and start taking tens of thousands of refugees at source, we are going to to be stuck acting in a way that is not only morally indefensible, but downright criminal. Until we stop making the boats the only way for these people to access our country, the far right are going to keep co-opting the centre ground with the very reasonable point that the ones we end up talking about have passed through a dozen other safe countries who want to pretend they don't exist.
 
By Bones McCoy
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I wonder what Priti has done to thwart the abhorrent criminals.
I understand that falls within the home secretary's brief.

I'm assuming these criminal gangs have handlers in the UK to ensure the deliveries end up in the sweatshops and massage parlours of their associates.
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