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By Boiler
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#541596
cycloon wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:50 am
Outside world shouldn't exist la la la*
*except when on my hols

If anything of this nature was levelled at white Brits somewhere, hoooo boy.
I wonder how they would take it if say, the Spanish government starting making similar demands of British immigrants living in Spain?
 
By Messianic Trees
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#541651
Interesting piece on the background to the "hostile environment" policy here, which suggests that, as with Brexit, David Cameron's short-sighted thinking was largely to blame.
Is the prime minister a racist? It’s a provocative question that has been asked repeatedly since Home Office rhetoric on illegal immigration was ratcheted up around 2012. Her 2016 party conference speech, containing its infamous dismissal of ‘citizens of nowhere’, raised the question once more. Lord Kerslake, head of the civil service between 2012 and 2014, has said that some inside the government saw May’s immigration policies as ‘almost reminiscent of Nazi Germany’. But reducing the current situation to the politics or prejudices of an individual doesn’t really explain how Britain descended to the point where black citizens were being stripped of their dignity and livelihoods, and threatened with being slung out of the country. This isn’t just a matter of something rotten in the Home Office, as Amber Rudd had the nerve to suggest. That we have ended up in this mess suggests that senior politicians have gradually lost all sense of proportion on the matter. Someone must have been telling lies about immigration.

The tabloid media are culpable, with their talk of ‘floods’ and ‘swarms’, happily echoed by Nigel Farage. But the most significant precursor to the ‘hostile environment’ was David Cameron’s ill-fated pledge of 2010 to reduce net migration (the number entering the UK minus the number leaving) to less than 100,000 a year, at a time when the figure was more than 250,000. New Labour had treated immigration merely as a labour market issue, without much political significance. Cameron’s policy was a desperate bid to hang on to voters who might drift towards Ukip, but it was wildly undeliverable. The government soon introduced a cap on the number of skilled non-EU migrants that could enter the country, which was broken month after month.
 
By youngian
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#541674
David Lammy claims Caribbean leaders that May wasn't originally going to bother meeting at the Commonwealth conference reminded her what a perilous position the UK is in when it comes to trade and needs all the friends it can get. A grovelling public apology followed.
By mr angry manchester
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#541680
When you pander to the far right hate mongers of the bum wiping press, which is what this government is doing, it is bound to imbue a racist culture into the administration.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
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#541766
And the commenters are unable to get their heads around the idea that civil servants only do what their ministers tell them to do. They have absolutely no idea of how things are really done, and that gives May, Rudd or whomever a free pass - blame it on the bureaucrats every time.
 
By youngian
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#541838
May has put a three-line whip on MPs to prevent the Windrush documents being opened. If you've nothing to hide PM you've nothing to fear as Theresa May said frequently as HS. But as far as most voters are concerned May is either doing a good job on immigration or is not sending back enough people

 
By cycloon
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#541840
The immigration issue is absolutely at the core of so much politics for many people. Fair enough, except one cannot help but feel it's coloured by arbitrary, ignorant principle as much as anything concrete and thought-through. Just a tad, anyway...
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By Kreuzberger
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#541847
cycloon wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:13 am
The immigration issue is absolutely at the core of so much politics for many people. Fair enough, except one cannot help but feel it's coloured by arbitrary, ignorant principle as much as anything concrete and thought-through. Just a tad, anyway...
That moment when you realise that such a significant proportion of your fellow countrymen and women are bigots and racists.
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By cycloon
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#541866
The more I think about it, the more a lightning rod the issue is as a way into understanding how so many millions of people just don't care about anything, providing their positions are kept secure. It's perfect: The Other! Immediate danger, risk, discomfort vs unknown possibility, distant bounty, struggle to comprehend.

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