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By mr angry manchester
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#521970
The massive hole that the Tories have dug themselves into over Brexit is a glorious opportunity for Labour. It needs to be seized, Labour must present themselves as a party opposing it and to come to the rescue.

A re run referendum would almost certainly result in a reasonable remain majority, I strongly suspect that a fair few leave votes were "just to stick two fingers up to the politicians" like voting for shit acts like Jedward on the X Factor, simply to annoy Simon Cowell. As soon as the consequences are realised they would see sense.

Marginalise the far right fruit cakes and their barking mad cheerleaders at the Daily Mail, the national interest is at stake here.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#522490
Sorry to bum everybody out, but Fuck Off, Ken Loach.

You may have seen his godawful interview from the Conference.

Here he is lying about it last week in a letter to the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/o ... itism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny how the leader might not get many Jewish votes, isn't it? What with Loach being one of his best pals for donkeys years.
By visage
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#522491
I'm concerned that Corbyn doesnt see all votes as being equal.

If he embraced remaining, even via a 2nd referendum, it would probably result in a labour majority. But his own personal base would shrink...
By mr angry manchester
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#522492
He really has to embrace remaining. The Tories are digging themselves into a hole with Brexit and it is a great opportunity.
By visage
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#522493
I dont think lexit is as powerful as he thinks it is. Certainly nothing that couldnt be won over with a concerted effort.
 
By youngian
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#522494
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Sorry to bum everybody out, but Fuck Off, Ken Loach.

You may have seen his godawful interview from the Conference.

Here he is lying about it last week in a letter to the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/o ... itism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny how the leader might not get many Jewish votes, isn't it? What with Loach being one of his best pals for donkeys years.

Howard Jacobson alleges that I defended questioning the Holocaust. I did not and do not. In a confused BBC interview, where question and answer overlapped, my words were twisted to give a meaning contrary to that intended.

I didn't hear anyone twist his words and if he wasn't arguing for all historical views to be given equivalence (in the context of Holocaust denial) then I have no idea what he said. He still has a bee in his bonnet about the conspiracy against his puerile play Perdition. I think he made a Nixon type rant at the time about 'Zionists' dominating in the theatre.
 
By bluebellnutter
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#522496
visage wrote:I dont think lexit is as powerful as he thinks it is. Certainly nothing that couldnt be won over with a concerted effort.
It also shouldn't stand up to much if you spell out that in reality Brexit is the hard right version of Brexit, there is no "Lexit". Jacob Rees-Mogg and Liam Fox are not embracing Brexit for the socialist ideals it contains.
 
By youngian
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#522497
visage wrote:I dont think lexit is as powerful as he thinks it is. Certainly, nothing that couldn't be won over with a concerted effort.


The Corbyn pundits have ended their Brexit flirtation with the Will of the people but MPs in heartlands are more nervous about sticking their heads above the trench.

At the turn of the century some polls were 50:50 about joining the Euro. By the time of the Greek debt crisis, no one admitted to ever supporting it.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#522498
youngian wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Sorry to bum everybody out, but Fuck Off, Ken Loach.

You may have seen his godawful interview from the Conference.

Here he is lying about it last week in a letter to the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/o ... itism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny how the leader might not get many Jewish votes, isn't it? What with Loach being one of his best pals for donkeys years.

Howard Jacobson alleges that I defended questioning the Holocaust. I did not and do not. In a confused BBC interview, where question and answer overlapped, my words were twisted to give a meaning contrary to that intended.

I didn't hear anyone twist his words and if he wasn't arguing for all historical views to be given equivalence (in the context of Holocaust denial) then I have no idea what he said. He still has a bee in his bonnet about the conspiracy against his puerile play Perdition. I think he made a Nixon type rant at the time about 'Zionists' dominating in the theatre.
He does, and for that reason he needs to be kept away from the media when anti-Semitism is being discussed.

Had a good discussion on another board about this- I think Jacobson (whose article apparently has lots of very questionable stuff in it) probably knows that Loach doesn't think "Gas chambers? Yes or no?" type discussion is acceptable, so I can see why Loach might be annoyed. But equally, it's, er, what he said. So the thing to do is to apologize for how it came out. Not go hard in at somebody calling you on it, and chucking in "it's really about Israel". You could not care a toss about Israel (as lots of Jews don't) but think "Hang on, wtf?"
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... our-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jeremy Corbyn tells Morgan Stanley: 'You're right, we are a threat'
Labour leader hits back after investment bank warned clients his party could pose as much of a risk to UK business as Brexit
All rousing stuff and Morgan Stanley were stupidly provocative, but I've never though Hard Brexit then go after business was much of a plan. Least of all with financial services, where banks lose passporting to the EU and are apparently going to face Corbyn's preferred regulation. That's likely a load more high-tax paying jobs heading out. But apparently that's OK because of the 2008 crash, or something.

It's like he sees all that money in the economy and thinks it'll always be there, whatever he does.
 
By Littlejohn's brain
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#526715
If he becomes PM he'll be a disaster won't he?
 
By bluebellnutter
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#526731
Meanwhile, yon Jez has finally ditched the supply geography teacher look and turned into...well, this;

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Still can't help himself though as apparently he turned down the chance to have an interview with Alastair Campbell.
By visage
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#526759
Tubby Isaacs wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... our-brexit
Jeremy Corbyn tells Morgan Stanley: 'You're right, we are a threat'
Labour leader hits back after investment bank warned clients his party could pose as much of a risk to UK business as Brexit
All rousing stuff and Morgan Stanley were stupidly provocative, but I've never though Hard Brexit then go after business was much of a plan. Least of all with financial services, where banks lose passporting to the EU and are apparently going to face Corbyn's preferred regulation. That's likely a load more high-tax paying jobs heading out. But apparently that's OK because of the 2008 crash, or something.

It's like he sees all that money in the economy and thinks it'll always be there, whatever he does.
MS gave Corbyn the opportunity to roll out one of his greatest hits - banker bashing. His supporters will love it, everyone else gets their prejudices confimed. Labour end up moving further away from power.

Corbyn is an impressive campaigner, but a fucking shit politician.
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