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#606337
Abernathy wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:40 am
Just a note in passing that when I kicked off this thread 8 (yes, 8!) years ago, I did so on the basis of a report of Blair opining that going after "bankers" for their role in precipitating the global economic crisis was basically wrong. I was angered by what I saw then as his crass intervention, so much that I originally gave the thread the intemperate title "Jeebus, Tony, why don't you just FUCK OFF?". It's since been changed to something less gratuitously offensive.

However, it's instructive to consider the contrast between then and now. Now, I invariably welcome Tony Blair's interventions wholeheartedly, as, particularly during the recently-emerged-from nightmare of the Corbyn years, he was and is usually almost the sole political figure talking any kind of sense - on Brexit, and now the government response to the viral outbreak of Covid 19.

I was never a "Blairite". I did not vote for him to be leader, was uneasy about some of the stuff he did in government, and vehemently opposed his decision to get the UK embroiled in GW Bush's insane Iraq invasion. But you know what? With the insane waste of Corbyn's half-decade at the head of the party, and without really shifting my basic political principles or position at all, I seem, much like Roy Hattersley, to have become one.
Again, it shows the almost total lack of ability on either front bench (hopefully now being corrected) that yesterday's men are still head and shoulders above the new breed.
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#606338
The new breed are the ones who capitalised on people becoming literally bored with competence on one hand, and a different group of people fed up of not being allowed to be absolute shits on the other. Unlike the previous generation they never rose to the top on merit, they filled a vacuum - usually with their overinflated sense of self-importance and ability.

Cummings is the pinnacle of this - a genuinely stupid man who thinks he's a genius based on what he's read not what he's understood.
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#606344
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:30 pm
I read an interview with his mother. It reminded me of Stanley Johnson, and Julian Assange's mother - parents who assiduously assured their mediocre offspring that they were special. Cubed.
Whom, Malc? Cummings or Blair?
#606598
"Tony Blair did a lot of good stuff, some average stuff, and some downright awful stuff. He should never be forgiven for the latter, but we shouldn't forget the former either because they are things that no Conservative government would ever do that made the UK a better, fairer place to live. Two wrongs don't make a right, but one man's wrongs don't wipe out the 'rights' a whole party achieved in over a decade in office either, and never should - no matter how much some people want to believe that only they are capable of real, 'socialist' good."
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#613119


Most of us know what Ian means here, though a predictable group show up BTL to misunderstand him. Dunt wisely doesn't bother to engage with them.

Lyndon Johnson escalated Vietnam disastrously, but is anyone seriously doubting he's an adult compared with Trump?
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Nixon went to China. Reagan negotiated disarmament. Even Harding was subtle about his corruption.

Eden was a bloody good foreign secretary. Home knew he was a placeholder. Cameron got gay marriage and the land mine ban through.

Mr Orange and the Invisible Man? Nowhere near good enough to lick their boots.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:19 pm


Most of us know what Ian means here, though a predictable group show up BTL to misunderstand him. Dunt wisely doesn't bother to engage with them.

Lyndon Johnson escalated Vietnam disastrously, but is anyone seriously doubting he's an adult compared with Trump?
Unfortunately the footballisation of politics strikes again.

"Oh so you think Blair was vaguely competent, do you? Then you must be fine with the murder of all those Iraqis then, eh? That sound right, you heartless Iraqi-hating scumbag?"
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