- Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:24 pm
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And - in case you need reminding - you don't agree with him either. Oh yeah, and the polls all show remain ahead. Oh, and it's what the Labour membership want.
But (b) I'd absolutely be up for remain vs soft brexit. Absolutely any day. As long as they were the only 2 options so as not to split the vote between remain, leaving with less but still significant damage and the hardcore maniac vote that will go for no deal (for example). Setting up a vote where you split one side and leave the worst option a free run would be idiotic at the best of times - that could hand a 'win' to no deal on a percentage less than the original referendum. But no one is offering that anyway. Simplest, best, clearest cut, most winnable option is remain vs leave.
Honestly, it's like you'd rather have hard brexit and have Corbyn string out his disastrous approach to the bitter end than countenance change to stand against something you've already said you don't want. It's some serious contortionism.
Yes, and he's lost 3 elections - the last 2 in spectacular fashion. Because what he believes in is completely wrong and at odds with what would do the most good for the people he claims he wants to help. I said fight for the right thing, not just for something utterly idiotic you believe in just because you believe in it.
And - in case you need reminding - you don't agree with him either. Oh yeah, and the polls all show remain ahead. Oh, and it's what the Labour membership want.
Well (a) yeah, there is - you might get some voters back. Remember them? You need them to do absolutely anything, and currently labour are as appealing as a bag of dog turds. There's credible info a pact between Tories and Farage's mob to 'save brexit' is already forming, because all Farage really wants is to finally get into the HoC and really put his trotters up, so that 'fractured enemy' is rapidly coalescing into a malevolent cohesive force - but even if they weren't, are you saying it's now *bad* for Labour to oppose the Tories? Who do *you* think the enemy are? Tom Watson? The Lib Dems? Reality in general?!?There's nothing to gain from coming out hard remain. Leave vote is going to galvanise pretty hard if Labour put up a clear enemy, right now it's fracturing between brexit party and tories. If you really think remain would win a 2nd ref, why not let it have one vs soft brexit?
But (b) I'd absolutely be up for remain vs soft brexit. Absolutely any day. As long as they were the only 2 options so as not to split the vote between remain, leaving with less but still significant damage and the hardcore maniac vote that will go for no deal (for example). Setting up a vote where you split one side and leave the worst option a free run would be idiotic at the best of times - that could hand a 'win' to no deal on a percentage less than the original referendum. But no one is offering that anyway. Simplest, best, clearest cut, most winnable option is remain vs leave.
Honestly, it's like you'd rather have hard brexit and have Corbyn string out his disastrous approach to the bitter end than countenance change to stand against something you've already said you don't want. It's some serious contortionism.
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