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By The Red Arrow
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#415479
A couple of interesting reads via Vox Political:-

Labour were too left-wing?
Posted on May 18, 2015
https://alittleecon.wordpress.com/2015/ ... left-wing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


What Labour really needs is a powerful social movement to carry its vision across the country
May 18, 2015
http://www.michaelmeacher.info/weblog/2 ... e-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A lengthy reply to this from Annette via Wanda Lozinska in comments is worth a read, too.
 
By youngian
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Janan Ganesh is the sort of person who could bore for Britain analysing politics and economic. But thats irrelevant to this perceptive analysis of what is wrong with Labour
Labour’s analysis paralysis blights a party of clever fools
Politics is a simple game overcomplicated by its worst players. Pity the UK Labour party as it settles down for another term of opposition like an old man easing into a familiar pair of slippers. With all summer to choose a new leader, the party is already over-thinking it.

In seminars and newspapers, “progressives” grope for a “critique” of their election loss. They “work towards” an “analysis” of modern Britain and an “agenda” for “renewal”, which must be “radical” or at least “empowering”. The candidates themselves, reared in this junk language of abstract nouns and undergraduate sociology, go along with the joyless charade, always primed with an allusion to the “changing workforce” and something about the internet.

This is not sophistication, it is sophistry. It is not big thinking, it is analysis paralysis. Labour lost the election for reasons that any bus driver or part-time florist could diagnose in a sentence: its prospectus was too leftwing and its leader, Ed Miliband, was a liability. If it had chosen his brother David in 2010, and not spent five years openly goading employers with price interventions and other intellectual remnants of the mid-20th century, it would now be in government or thereabouts. There is nothing structurally wrong with the left that leadership and moderation cannot fix.

Judgment, not intellect or hard work or even charisma, is the winning trait in politics. Judgment is why John Major became prime minister and his more luminous peers — Michael Heseltine, Michael Portillo, Ken Clarke — never did. And judgment is why the Conservatives have steered Britain for much of the past two centuries. They tend to read the national will acutely and know by instinct what a winner looks like.

Their uncluttered minds help. John Stuart Mill, the great Liberal, described the Tories as stupid. The Liberals closed down in 1988. The Tories are still running the country.

The Labour mind is nothing but clutter. It is geared for analysis over judgment. Five summers ago, a decisive number of people in the party thought Mr Miliband was a plausible prime minister. These individuals are still allowed to handle flammable liquids and walk our streets unescorted. Some of them are in the shadow cabinet and likely to be promoted. Labour, the party of clever fools, will seemingly excuse any misjudgment, however catastrophic, if it is backed up by exhaustive analysis.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c1ee92c2-fafa ... z3af4cqc1g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
By new puritan
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The PoD speaks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/20/opini ... ction.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Beyond one passing mention of the SNP, Scotland isn't even discussed. And surely even Mandelson doesn't believe this vacuous shit:
For a start, a party committed to radical change has to be careful in balancing its message. It needs to construct a case for change, not rely on sound bites. The “haves” in society are prepared to make sacrifices for the have-nots, but they need to be treated to a reasoned argument, not a “them and us” assault that undermines rather than builds consensus.
Yes, Britain's rich are just gagging to vote away their wealth provided they're asked nicely.
 
By Agnes
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youngian wrote:Janan Ganesh is the sort of person who could bore for Britain analysing politics and economic. But thats irrelevant to this perceptive analysis of what is wrong with Labour
Labour’s analysis paralysis blights a party of clever fools
Politics is a simple game overcomplicated by its worst players. Pity the UK Labour party as it settles down for another term of opposition like an old man easing into a familiar pair of slippers. With all summer to choose a new leader, the party is already over-thinking it.

In seminars and newspapers, “progressives” grope for a “critique” of their election loss. They “work towards” an “analysis” of modern Britain and an “agenda” for “renewal”, which must be “radical” or at least “empowering”. The candidates themselves, reared in this junk language of abstract nouns and undergraduate sociology, go along with the joyless charade, always primed with an allusion to the “changing workforce” and something about the internet.

This is not sophistication, it is sophistry. It is not big thinking, it is analysis paralysis. Labour lost the election for reasons that any bus driver or part-time florist could diagnose in a sentence: its prospectus was too leftwing and its leader, Ed Miliband, was a liability. If it had chosen his brother David in 2010, and not spent five years openly goading employers with price interventions and other intellectual remnants of the mid-20th century, it would now be in government or thereabouts. There is nothing structurally wrong with the left that leadership and moderation cannot fix.

Judgment, not intellect or hard work or even charisma, is the winning trait in politics. Judgment is why John Major became prime minister and his more luminous peers — Michael Heseltine, Michael Portillo, Ken Clarke — never did. And judgment is why the Conservatives have steered Britain for much of the past two centuries. They tend to read the national will acutely and know by instinct what a winner looks like.

Their uncluttered minds help. John Stuart Mill, the great Liberal, described the Tories as stupid. The Liberals closed down in 1988. The Tories are still running the country.

The Labour mind is nothing but clutter. It is geared for analysis over judgment. Five summers ago, a decisive number of people in the party thought Mr Miliband was a plausible prime minister. These individuals are still allowed to handle flammable liquids and walk our streets unescorted. Some of them are in the shadow cabinet and likely to be promoted. Labour, the party of clever fools, will seemingly excuse any misjudgment, however catastrophic, if it is backed up by exhaustive analysis.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c1ee92c2-fafa ... z3af4cqc1g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is that the lot? I tried to go to the page to see the context but it's paywall.
By new puritan
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Thank God for John Curtice - some sense at last.
Britain’s most respected opinion pollster has warned Labour its chances of winning a majority at the next election verge on the “improbable” and that blaming its defeat on a shift away from Blairism is “wholly inadequate”.

John Curtice, the only psephologist to have emerged with an enhanced reputation from the election campaign after his exit poll proved roughly correct, said the election result marked a “fundamental transformation in party competition in the UK”, which made the prospect of another majority Labour government unlikely.

The Strathclyde University politics professor also warned Labour’s leadership contenders that they risk continuing to leave the party outflanked on the left by the Scottish National party by stressing the importance of appealing to aspirational voters.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... e-politics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By youngian
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Following John Major's victory I remember the pointy head number crunchers telling us that it was not improbable to win the next election but virtually impossible.

Psephologist can analyse accurately on data that is available but politics is a human affair and the art of the possible not a science.

And if Labour elects a leader the public have no confidence in they will lose. I don't need Professor Curtice's slide rules and calculators to tell me that, my postman can.
By new puritan
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I'm generally a psephology sceptic myself but I don't think Curtice is saying anything objectionable there. The attitude of Mandelson, Liz Kendall etc to Scotland is stunning. They have nothing to say about it - they seem to have totally written it off. Maybe they'll finally be happy when there's nothing left of the union but the Home Counties, where they'll have no-one left to chase but Aspirational Wealth-Creating Mondeo Man.
 
By youngian
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I don't disagree with that, if Liz Kendall thinks leftist policies are the problem she's deluded. She can promise to suck everyone's cock, no one is going to take her seriously as a leader. And her flailing around making up policy on the hoof demonstrates why; she sounds like a panicking hostage giving away her worldly goods to her captor. Wouldn't fancy her chances across the table with Putin.
 
By Abernathy
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youngian wrote: Liz Kendall can promise to suck everyone's cock, no one is going to take her seriously as a leader.
Oh, I don't know......

SNAP

No, of course, you're quite right.
By new puritan
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Was wondering when this dreary little gobshite would pop up.
The Labour party needs to be challenged on its love of centralisation, its reliance on high taxation and its disconnect from business. Most of all, we need to do some serious soul-searching about why the party is so reluctant to even discuss the cultural and emotional issues affecting traditional working class communities. Whether it is on welfare, immigration, family or national identity, we need to understand how we have lost a cultural connection with many of our core supporters and how we can re-establish it.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/05/22/ca ... he-tories/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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