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Which of the piss poor contestants would you reluctantly vote for

Andy Burnham
3
7%
Yvette Cooper
14
34%
Jeremy Corbyn
24
59%
Liz Kendall
No votes
0%
By mikey mikey
Membership Days Posts
#423584
If the ABC follow Tory form, we'll see the polls contradicted by a shock result from Shy Blairites
:roll:
#423586
Picklechu2 wrote:I am a party member, as is my wife. We have no clue who to vote for.
Similar.
Corbyn presses many buttons for any proper Labour supporter. I see why his policy sketches are so popular. I like them, too.
But, for me, that doesn't make for a potential prime minister.
#423929
Non-member. May pay to vote. Would vote Corbyn purely to try and get an actual proper alternative to the Tory narrative. I can't believe how weak the response has been from Labour - it seems they're more or less accepting everything the Tories do, with the caveat that they'd do it a bit less nastily. Sure it might not end up with Corbyn as PM, but I can't see any of the other contenders as PM either and at least in the meantime it would stop the continual rightwards shift of the centre.
 
By youngian
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#423931
I'm starting to think Corbyn is a leader who could connect but he can't curb his enthusiasm or prepared to temper his more unpopular platform pitches. So I'm left with two bland obfuscators in the same mid-league as Cameron. Yvette has been tedious pain in the last few days and Burnham has been grown-up in the way he engages with Corbyn so at least he has the pulse of the party.

Off to see Ben Bradshaw this evening to see what he has to say for himself. As he's surrounded by a sea of Tories as far as the eye can see he probably has a bit of empathy for Cambridge Labour Party.
By mikey mikey
Membership Days Posts
#423932
crabcakes_windermere wrote:Non-member. May pay to vote. Would vote Corbyn purely to try and get an actual proper alternative to the Tory narrative. I can't believe how weak the response has been from Labour - it seems they're more or less accepting everything the Tories do, with the caveat that they'd do it a bit less nastily. Sure it might not end up with Corbyn as PM, but I can't see any of the other contenders as PM either and at least in the meantime it would stop the continual rightwards shift of the centre.
I would point out that you have been one of the most interesting and insightful posters that I have read since I started browsing this forum a few years ago (I only started posting recently.)

But since you revealed yourself to be a non-member who is considering voting against the wishes of the PLP/Blairite team then I feel compelled to address you as "armchair critic" and dismiss you as a trot-leftie infiltrator that has no business even having an opinion, never mind expressing it before those that have "walked the walk" tirelessly on their own behalf.

[/cliquey 2@]
By Agnes
Membership Days Posts
#423985
Yougov has JC on 53% in the first round. 67% amongst affiliated trade union members.

If it weren't for the Nat thing I'd be jumping up and down and salivating with glee.
By mikey mikey
Membership Days Posts
#423988
Agnes wrote:Yougov has JC on 53% in the first round. 67% amongst affiliated trade union members.

If it weren't for the Nat thing I'd be jumping up and down and salivating with glee.
Considering the crowds he drew in Glasgow, if you're looking to get Scotland back from the SNP, you are going to need somebody like him.

Burnham, Kendall orCooper?

Fuggin foggeddit. :shock:

Meanwhile
THE shock frontrunner to be Labour leader has vowed to challenge the SNP in Holyrood - but wants their help in Westminster.

JEREMY CORBYN has vowed that Labour would tackle the SNP more effectively in Holyrood under his 
leadership.

But the shock frontrunner also admitted he would seek the help of the Nats in tackling David Cameron in Westminster.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... ws-6222479" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
LEFT-WING Labour leadership contender Jeremy Corbyn last night insisted his anti-austerity message will win back Scottish voters.

Corbyn told the Record he’ll take on the SNP north of the Border, where voters have deserted Labour in droves.

The London MP told the Record: “Working people in Scotland have not turned against Labour because it is English, but because it seemed to lose its way over its values and policies.

“I aim to unite Labour both sides of the Border on the basis of a real challenge to austerity economics, of policies for peace and social justice.

“While I recognise and support the will of the Scottish people for greater democratic control of their lives, I also know that the socialist message of equality and prosperity for all knows no borders and unites Glasgow with Grimsby, Dundee with Durham.”
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... ur-6184153" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By Abernathy
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#423990
Yes, Corbyn's position on the SNP will be problematic. As we saw, during the last election campaign the prospect of Labour/SNP collaboration was very sucessfully used by the Tories to panic erstwhile Lib Dem switchers and other waverers away from Labour and into the arms of the Tories. The tactic not only piled up votes for the Tories in key marginals, it forced Miliband into denying that Labour would work with the SNP in any way at all until he was blue in the face, which in turn stopped Labour from getting its positive offer over to the electorate. As we saw, denying that we'd work with the Nats in a hung parliament didn't work.

Having said that, however, a pragmatic Corbyn position of - quite reasonably - declining to rule out a possible future collaboration with the Nats might just be more effective, particularly if combined with a policy agenda, including say, no renewal of Trident, that would enable Labour to take on and defeat the Nats from the left in Scotland.
By Agnes
Membership Days Posts
#423994
mikey mikey wrote:Considering the crowds he drew in Glasgow, if you're looking to get Scotland back from the SNP, you are going to need somebody like him.
Agreed. Vehemently. I just want him to point out the divisive nature of all nationalisms (not put exactly like that of course ;)).
 
By youngian
Membership Days Posts
#423996
Abernathy wrote:Yes, Corbyn's position on the SNP will be problematic. As we saw, during the last election campaign the prospect of Labour/SNP collaboration was very sucessfully used by the Tories to panic erstwhile Lib Dem switchers and other waverers away from Labour and into the arms of the Tories. The tactic not only piled up votes for the Tories in key marginals, it forced Miliband into denying that Labour would work with the SNP in any way at all until he was blue in the face, which in turn stopped Labour from getting its positive offer over to the electorate. As we saw, denying that we'd work with the Nats in a hung parliament didn't work.

Having said that, however, a pragmatic Corbyn position of - quite reasonably - declining to rule out a possible future collaboration with the Nats might just be more effective, particularly if combined with a policy agenda, including say, no renewal of Trident, that would enable Labour to take on and defeat the Nats from the left in Scotland.
Milliband didn't look like a man who was in charge or could communicate a clear idea of what he wanted. The public decided the Dagenham Girl Pipers could squeeze his balls if he was PM let alone Salmond and Sturgeon. I'm not sure what Jo Public thinks of Corbyn but if they have seen him they would know he's a man who knows what he wants, can tell you in plain English what it is and so far has run rings around his opponents. Miliband didn't manage any of those things.
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