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By Tubby Isaacs
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This general election is even worse than a waste of time. People in Labour are being persuaded into supporting a bad Brexit policy because they want to win this general election, even though it doesn't exist.

This framing of furious Labour "keep out the Poles" Leavers is getting me. Is there any evidence that they're more, er, passionate than Remainers or EEA-ers?
By Tubby Isaacs
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I saw leftwing anti-racist funster Jeremy Hardy on Twitter from a couple of weeks ago. He opined that Labour's policy "stops recruiting abroad first"- when the whole point of freedom of movement is that people go themselves where the work is. I can't be bothered to look up what he's said in the past but doubtless he didn't like Milliband's mug very much.

And Corbyn's Brexit isn't a load of impossible bullshit, it's a soft Brexit which lets us fund out industries properly.
By Tubby Isaacs
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Hadn't seen this.

It's complete rubbish. From the ORR last year.
For the seventh year in a row, train operating companies
(TOCs) paid more (£763m) to government in premium
payments than they received in subsidies. In real terms, this
was down 8.5% compared with the £833m recorded in 2015-16
I'm sure he's going to bamboozle a job's first Brexit out of Merkel and Macron.

Sod this "love Corbyn, hate Brexit". I don't want him near anything.
By Tubby Isaacs
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Plus of course the inconvenient truth that bad old Tony Blair already renationalized "the railways" in 2003. Rolling stock is privately owned. Corbyn has no plans to change that.

All this overcrowding and expensive fares stop because Network Rail are operating the trains, not a private company? What a load of rubbish.
By youngian
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:53 pm
Old Marcus telling hopeless amateur, George Pertetz QC, how things work. And ignoring Peretz' point that the EU won't allow Corbyn-style state aid in a Customs Union.
Corbyn hasn’t done voters the service of explaining his long term strategic state aid plans. I suspect they can found in a mouldy 16 page A5 pamphlet from the 80s produced by Militant or Socialist something or other.
By Tubby Isaacs
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It could be an outlier, of course, but not exactly encouraging for that imminent general election.

Labour's banging away at "the real issues" *(trains) doesn't seem to be doing it all that much good. At some point, the Lib Dems will stop being a (complete) joke party. That could be sooner than some people think. If they get up to about 12%, as they could easily with irate Remainers, that could be a proper nuisance to Labour.
By youngian
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According to Corbyn Tweeters Labour's woeful showing is because:
It was commissioned by Remoaners asking loaded questions
Poll are always wrong
YouGov is run by Tories
They said Corbyn was miles behind in 2017 but went on to 'win' the GE
I have a Peter Hitchens quote about polls being a conspiracy to shape public opinion
Even if true the Meeja and Blairites are to blame.
By Tubby Isaacs
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And blah blah blah Lib Dems are clueless.

Indeed they are (they're not making anything like enough effort to put the Coalition behind them). But they don't have to get all that many Labour voters to be a major nuisance. Same with the Greens.

Here's who owns yougov.

"The Tories" must have a shareholding below 3%. There was in retrospect a clue to this state of affairs in that it's a PLC.
By Tubby Isaacs
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Great Corbynite letter here.
It says a great deal about the Guardian’s reporting of Corbyn’s attitude to Brexit that Michael Gruneberg (Letters, 4 January) thinks he “only pays lip service to abiding by his membership’s views”. In fact, Corbyn is expressing exactly what the Labour conference decided in September, namely to oppose any deal that does not meet the party’s six conditions and to call for a general election. If that is unsuccessful then all options are on the table.

And will those calling for another referendum please note that, thanks to May’s delaying tactics, there is now no time for one before the UK is due to leave the EU, and no majority in parliament to postpone Brexit in order to hold one.
Dorothy Macedo
Ferring, West Sussex
Like conference votes can't be fixed.

And the last bit- I thought Jez was supposed to be open to a referendum. Why does the "run out of time" problem apply to him too, in that case?
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