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Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:52 pm
by youngian
That went down well

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 pm
by youngian
Oh dear Jez is even getting dissed on Lorraine

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:16 pm
by Boiler
Ah, Rachel Riley. Some more Fenton posts there, no doubt.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:38 pm
by bluebellnutter
youngian wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:52 pm
That went down well
"OH JE-RE-MY COR...oh"

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:26 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Thornberry has shown a bit of leadership and tweeted a nice message to Riley, while saying she doesn't agree with everything she said. What's so difficult about doing this?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:32 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Boiler wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:16 pm
Ah, Rachel Riley. Some more Fenton posts there, no doubt.
Meanwhile the world's greatest academic weighs in.


Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:33 pm
by crabcakes_windermere
He can't do simple messages of support because he cannot admit he is wrong.

I'm beginning to wonder if Corbyn might make a shock resignation and walk away if (hopefully, when) it looks like May will cave and give everyone a second referendum rather than the GE that he won't win anyway. The only consistent thing that has happened throughout his leadership is that he has not wanted to take big decisions if he can let things happen around him. But this would be a decision he couldn't avoid, and the only option left would be to put Labour behind a people's vote. And if he has to support a people's vote, and hence a remain option, he'll have to admit he was wrong (if not in public, at least to himself).

In that scenario what would be more Corbyn than dodging responsibility, never having to admit you were wrong, and going right back to complaining from the back benches with his fan club never having to face the reality that he has wasted 2 years fighting to make everyone - and particularly the most vulnerable - worse off, and in that time managed next to nothing?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:38 pm
by youngian
the world's leading academic
Is he referring to Chomsky or Grace Blakeley?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:20 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:33 pm
He can't do simple messages of support because he cannot admit he is wrong.

I'm beginning to wonder if Corbyn might make a shock resignation and walk away if (hopefully, when) it looks like May will cave and give everyone a second referendum rather than the GE that he won't win anyway. The only consistent thing that has happened throughout his leadership is that he has not wanted to take big decisions if he can let things happen around him. But this would be a decision he couldn't avoid, and the only option left would be to put Labour behind a people's vote. And if he has to support a people's vote, and hence a remain option, he'll have to admit he was wrong (if not in public, at least to himself).

In that scenario what would be more Corbyn than dodging responsibility, never having to admit you were wrong, and going right back to complaining from the back benches with his fan club never having to face the reality that he has wasted 2 years fighting to make everyone - and particularly the most vulnerable - worse off, and in that time managed next to nothing?
I thought he might do that, but electing Labour leaders takes yonks.

He's very cunningly, with his "personal view", made it much harder for Labour to run on Remain if a referendum happens. What a guy.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:09 pm
by crabcakes_windermere
Electing labour leaders does take yonks, but the thing worth bearing in mind is that he clearly doesn’t give a shit about procedure or consequences when it doesn’t suit him.

More democracy? Brilliant. But they want to do something I don’t agree with? Fuck them, I’m in charge.

Hopeless cause that’s achingly right on but totally unwinnable? Cancel all my appointments, I’m there. Biggest march since the Iraq war protests and a chance to take the lead role in opposing a hateful right-wing project? Sorry, I’m in Belgium that day.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:12 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
To be fair, it was a very pressing discussion on 1973 Chile.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:35 am
by youngian
That's what I want a Labour leader's speech to deliver

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:05 am
by crabcakes_windermere
Agreed. Lammy was bloody brilliant. This is what Corbyn as a leader should be doing, rather than scuttling away and making bullshit claims about renegotiating that we all know are unfeasible.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:25 am
by Kreuzberger
youngian wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:35 am
That's what I want a Labour leader's speech to deliver
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Half a million views in less that 24 hours, and they tell us that people are somehow bored with Brexit.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:11 pm
by Andy McDandy
Well, amen to that. Great stuff.