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Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:30 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
They have a point that sticking a deal the Commons has rejected into a referendum is a problem.

Not exactly moving towards Remain though, are they? And I guess we've a spell of nonsense ahead of us where they call for a General Election without telling us the Brexit policy.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:05 am
by crabcakes_windermere
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:30 pm
They have a point that sticking a deal the Commons has rejected into a referendum is a problem.
If they'd been actually making an effort to remain all along, I'd be willing to grant them the benefit of the doubt on this. However, given what's actually happening I can just imagine Milne gleefully striking out 'referendum' from documents left, right and centre and chuckling away to himself how he and Jezza fooled everyone again into thinking they'd do what they said they would as opposed to whatever they bloody want.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:15 am
by Abernathy
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:30 pm
They have a point that sticking a deal the Commons has rejected into a referendum is a problem.
I really don't think so. Though the May deal has been twice rejected by parliament, it has the undeniable advantage of being in existence, and of being available. It is, as May herself, and Barnier, and Juncker, and Varadker, and Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all (though not, frustratedly, Uncle Jez Corbyn) keep pointing out, in fact the *only* such deal, and May clearly intends to keep trying to get it accepted. The same cannot be said for Corbyn's phantom alternative deal.

As such, it would, I think, be quite appropriate for it to go forward in the terms of the Kyle/Wilson amendment as the sole alternative to remaining in the EU - giving the country a real opportunity to step back from the madness, galvanising support for Labour in the country (while also playing to Corbyn's alleged strength of hitting the campaign trail), and satisfying the vast majority of Labour party members.

I don't know why Corbyn cannot - or more likely wilfully *will* not, recognise this.

This is incredibly frustrating. It's bleeding obvious - why can't Labour's leader see this ? Surely it can only lead to more defections.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:15 pm
by crabcakes_windermere
Abernathy wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:15 am
...giving the country a real opportunity to step back from the madness, galvanising support for Labour in the country (while also playing to Corbyn's alleged strength of hitting the campaign trail)...
Though of course bear in mind his ability and enthusiasm as a campaigner strangely seems to evaporate as soon as it's something he has to support based on a team decision rather than something he chooses for himself.

If gifted another referendum, ould he dare throw it again with another tepid "Oh no, I support it really, honest" effort? I'd be willing to bet he's witless enough that he would.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:10 am
by Silkyman
He’s said before that he would campaign for Lexit.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:56 pm
by youngian
Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn indicates he could vote leave in a new referendum on Britain's EU membership

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has indicated he could vote to leave the EU if there is another Brexit referendum.

Mr Corbyn said how he voted in any future referendum giving the British public a Final Say on Brexit, would depend on the withdrawal deal which is on offer at the time.

He gave a heavily caveated answer when asked if he is “enthusiastic” about the idea of a new referendum, and said that his party might back an amendment calling for one depending on its wording. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1552819399


The article is a bit flimsy but supposing Corbyn turned up in a referendum as May's main ally to work the same magic as he did with Cameron, whose loss is that? I'd like to see him explain his protectionist economic plans to Andrew Neil.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:58 pm
by mattomac
I'll happily allow him to campaign for Leave.....

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:02 pm
by youngian
mattomac wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:58 pm
I'll happily allow him to campaign for Leave.....
This would be the third act of his long game to Remain. He may take a few thousand Lexiters with him but apart from that I don’t see a downside.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:10 pm
by mattomac
Exactly, he wouldn't be a big loss.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:50 pm
by youngian
Constitutional crisis update: The opposition leader has libraries covered

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:00 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Could it be Alzheimer's?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
by youngian
Corbyn to step down in May?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:20 pm
by youngian
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:00 pm
Could it be Alzheimer's?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:30 pm
by Abernathy
It's lovely to contemplate how the #JC4PM Cult will deal with Magic Grandpa wanting to spend more time with his marrows .

Could be like a re-staging of Pompeii.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:19 pm
by Bones McCoy
Abernathy wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:30 pm
It's lovely to contemplate how the #JC4PM Cult will deal with Magic Grandpa wanting to spend more time with his marrows .

Could be like a re-staging of Pompeii.
Frankie Howerd for PM