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By Abernathy
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Right, so. Corbyn's line to May is apparently that he would want any withdrawal agreement based on her deal to be subject to confirmation by referendum, but that if May agrees to put through substantially his unicorn deal, there would be no such requirement.

Can anybody tell me how this is remotely credible or sustainable?

He appears to be denying the truth that Brexit in any form is damaging, cannot ever be better than remaining in the EU, and that people must be given the opportunity to confirm that they want it.

There's how to keep the 48% happy. Not. You despair at the tactical clodhoppery.

I just cannot understand the "logic" behind this approach. In terms both of doing the best for the country, and of maximising Labour's support at the next GE, surely a referendum on whatever withdrawal agreement can be brokered is easily and obviously the best option? What on earth is he hoping to gain by demanding a referendum - hypocritically, as it will be correctly portrayed as - for a Tory withdrawal agreement only?

And all the while, Emily Thornberry tells a completely different tale.

The incompetence is simply breathtaking.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Right, so. Corbyn's line to May is apparently that he would want any withdrawal agreement based on her deal to be subject to confirmation by referendum, but that if May agrees to put through substantially his unicorn deal, there would be no such requirement.

Can anybody tell me how this is remotely credible or sustainable?
Opening offer, followed by pivot to allow a referendum on his deal too?

What the EU make of his deal, I don't know. He's had some nice photo ops with the EU, but how they feel about his "military Frankenstein provoking Russia" stuff, I don't know.
 
By spoonman
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:17 pm
spoonman wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:51 am
Considering in recent years we've known that National Action have been infiltrating the British Army, a number of soldiers in gear posing for selfies with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, and the murder in broad daylight of an elected member of parliament whose killer was motivated by political discourse going to pot for him to commit a terrorist attack, the thinking that such footage, assuming it hasn't been doctored or taken out of context, is just some naively led "lads" being dicks simply doesn't wash. It also gives, pardon the pun, ammunition to those who believe that many of the current MPs are "traitors" who are committing treason and deserve to be put to death, the idea that their wish to carry out such a "patriotic duty" would be supported by at least some elements of the army whom after the first shot is fired will suddenly rise to start a coup that bring in their wet dream proto-fascist UK.
Fair point. But those types usually like their deniability too. They’ll hang out with arseholes, but not actually do stuff on camera. I’d still be more inclined to think it’s twattery unless more turns up.
Forgive me for not thinking that the Paratroopers aren't more than just twats and arseholes. I suppose it's progress for them to be shooting at a picture of an elected MP as opposed for them to be shooting at innocent civilians.
 
By bluebellnutter
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cycloon wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:40 am
How dare you speak down to an England legend. It's written in our unwritten constitution of FREEDOM and MAGNA CARTAS that an England footy aceherostar is one rung below a TOMMY from THE EAST END in terms of how important they are.
Seems increasingly clear she died in vain. Corbyn probably killed her. The Marxist bastard.
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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Abernathy wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:25 pm
I just cannot understand the "logic" behind this approach.
1. JC will get what he wants as a lifelong eurosceptic - the UK out of the EU
2. as he only ever sees things in simplistic terms, he's willing to take a big gamble on people being so sick of the whole thing that once it's done they'll vote at the next GE on the same basis and choose who is the least awful (and that's currently a depressingly close-run thing)
3. he hopes to squeak a win based on a massive (and to be fair, not inaccurate - though of course entirely self-unaware) Tory blame exercise, then use any victory margin as a mandate to do all the batshit stuff they didn't put in the manifesto but you know he and Milne are itching to do
4. he'll then retire and leave the next generation to clean up the mess - but the point is it will be a lovely, pure socialist mess based on success stories such as Venezuela
 
By youngian
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cycloon wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:40 am
How dare you speak down to an England legend. It's written in our unwritten constitution of FREEDOM and MAGNA CARTAS that an England footy aceherostar is one rung below a TOMMY from THE EAST END in terms of how important they are.

Every England legend that passes away is 'an old school gentleman.' I think it just means I didn't see him much after he retired, I don't know much about him but was always polite when I bumped into him.
 
By Bones McCoy
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youngian wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:31 am
cycloon wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:40 am
How dare you speak down to an England legend. It's written in our unwritten constitution of FREEDOM and MAGNA CARTAS that an England footy aceherostar is one rung below a TOMMY from THE EAST END in terms of how important they are.

Every England legend that passes away is 'an old school gentleman.' I think it just means I didn't see him much after he retired, I don't know much about him but was always polite when I bumped into him.
I think it's code for "Not Gazza".
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