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Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:30 am
by Safe_Timber_Man
I got briefly swept up by his Glastonbury appearance. Seeing all the young people chanting his name and their genuine belief in him made me think something could really be happening here. How wrong I was.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:53 am
by Abernathy
Not a bad review by James O'Brien of what seems to be quite an interesting book about the historical origins of today's Cult :

https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/publ ... -or-power/
It is an analysis that encompasses Benn and then the Militant Tendency (its most prominent members, Dave Nellist and Terry Fields, were also part of the class of 83) and leads, almost inexorably, to a cultish Corbyn following currently directing so much fire at “centrists” and “Blairites” in their own party that a Tory government of perhaps unprecedented weakness and ineptitude remains, it often seems, largely unopposed.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:55 am
by bluebellnutter
Safe_Timber_Man wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:30 am
I got briefly swept up by his Glastonbury appearance. Seeing all the young people chanting his name and their genuine belief in him made me think something could really be happening here. How wrong I was.
The opportunity was there in the palm of his hands. But a mixture of post-2017 hubris, a refusal to let go of outdated dogma (Brexit) and appointing / trusting the wrong (Seamus Milne) mean he has totally blown it, and the chances of him ever getting it back are slim. If the new Lib Dem leader can make a "clean break" from their past and market themselves properly they could make absolute hay.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:26 pm
by oboogie
Oblomov wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:27 am
I've been deflated like the Hindenburg.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:17 pm
by youngian
If the new Lib Dem leader can make a "clean break" from their past and market themselves properly they could make absolute hay.

Interesting to note Jo Swinson has vastly more ministerial experience than Corbyn despite entering the Commons seven years before she was born. Unfortunately its experience that won’t impress Labour voters. It remains to be seen if LDs can sustain their poll boost.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:25 pm
by crabcakes_windermere
Safe_Timber_Man wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:30 am
I got briefly swept up by his Glastonbury appearance. Seeing all the young people chanting his name and their genuine belief in him made me think something could really be happening here. How wrong I was.
His taking the votes of those young people for granted and then throwing them a bus pass as a token gesture for their being trapped in the UK doing gig economy jobs because there's fuck-all else left is going to come back and haunt him. Or, rather, the party.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:46 pm
by Abernathy
Labour will keep getting thwacked – and rightly so

https://infacts.org/labour-will-keep-ge ... ightly-so/
But what chance is there of Corbyn being brave and bold? He is not a strong leader and he has surrounded himself with a coterie of hardline Brexiters notably Seumas Milne, his director of strategy and communications.

Much more likely Labour will continue to take three baby steps forward and two baby steps backwards. This is a dereliction of duty at a time of national crisis – just when Boris Johnson is about to enter Downing Street and try to rip us out of the EU in the most destructive way.
Corbyn cannot lead. He has not the remotest idea of leadership. It is more obvious than ever it was that electing this incompetent as party leader on the basis of a sort of outbreak of mass fan boy/girl hysteria was the biggest error that the Labour Party has ever made.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:21 am
by Oblomov
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:25 pm
Safe_Timber_Man wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:30 am
I got briefly swept up by his Glastonbury appearance. Seeing all the young people chanting his name and their genuine belief in him made me think something could really be happening here. How wrong I was.
His taking the votes of those young people for granted and then throwing them a bus pass as a token gesture for their being trapped in the UK doing gig economy jobs because there's fuck-all else left is going to come back and haunt him. Or, rather, the party.
Some of them still seem fond of him if the reaction to my criticisms of Magic Granddad on Reddit are anything to go by.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:53 am
by youngian
I was told all national elections (locals and Euros) where Labour tanked don’t matter. Only the GE2017 matters because Corbyn really won.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:40 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Has he won any election on projected national vote share? I suppose he might have won the locals in 2016 where he lost a few seats from a very good 2012 performance.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:24 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
I'd rather have Jez than Johnson, obviously, but Keir ought to be mindful that quite a lot of the public don't agree with me.


Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:42 pm
by youngian
Was there ever a man less suited to be Prime Minister?
He set himself up with that one

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:49 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
On reflection, I wonder if he was winking as he posted that?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:14 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:24 pm
I'd rather have Jez than Johnson, obviously, but Keir ought to be mindful that quite a lot of the public don't agree with me.

We'll soon be faced with a choice between a hard line Brexiteer and Boris Johnson.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:16 pm
by Andy McDandy
If only Kier had stood for leader in 2015.