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Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:33 pm
by Arrowhead
Andy McDandy wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:16 pm
If only Kier had stood for leader in 2015.
I suspect he would have finished well behind Burnham and Cooper. He'd only been an MP for a few weeks at that stage.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:58 pm
by youngian
As we know from US TV the DA slips into the governor role very easily but you’re forced to wait your turn in a parliamentary system. Starmer’s certainly earned his stripes putting up with Corbyn and punting his bullshit briefs.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:59 pm
by youngian
Gutless prick still running away and abusing female journalists.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:12 pm
by davidjay
It was three years ago, though.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:14 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
That's old footage.

I think it's a stretch to say that somebody being held back is "about to do a Field".

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:50 am
by bluebellnutter
Andy McDandy wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:16 pm
If only Kier had stood for leader in 2015.
He'd have lost like the others. The three quidders would have backed Corbyn over anyone in that election. The real shame is it was Corbyn and not one of the semi-capable left-wingers.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:26 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
So it's a referendum then?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:14 pm
by Abernathy
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:26 pm
So it's a referendum then?

Fuck knows.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:18 am
by WTF?
I know I'm preaching to the choir but it's worth remembering you are not alone,and it's not over yet. Not by a long chalk. Keep your peckers up, ladies and gents...and, in the words of Jon Snow, fuck these these Tories...


Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:12 am
by crabcakes_windermere
It’s perfectly clear. Corbyn supports a people’s vote in the form of a GE he won’t get unless he can form a government without a GE, which won’t happen, in which case he’ll negotiate a new Brexit deal even though the negotiations are closed and he has the same red lines as May did so even if they weren’t it’d be the same anyway, which he won’t ask the people to approve. But failing that he’ll definitely support a people’s vote with options to appeal to leavers and remainers, but not explicitly ‘leave’ or ‘remain’ because if you say leave or remain then you can’t put forward some crappy deal to actually leave as the remain option. Unless he’s forced to put remain as an option, which he doesn’t want to do as he wants to appeal to both sides but actually leave, thus only ‘appealing’ to one side who don’t want the version of leave he’s offering anyway.

I honestly can’t understand why the public found the message hard to understand. :roll:

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:48 am
by Zuriblue
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:12 am
It’s perfectly clear. Corbyn supports a people’s vote in the form of a GE he won’t get unless he can form a government without a GE, which won’t happen, in which case he’ll negotiate a new Brexit deal even though the negotiations are closed and he has the same red lines as May did so even if they weren’t it’d be the same anyway, which he won’t ask the people to approve. But failing that he’ll definitely support a people’s vote with options to appeal to leavers and remainers, but not explicitly ‘leave’ or ‘remain’ because if you say leave or remain then you can’t put forward some crappy deal to actually leave as the remain option. Unless he’s forced to put remain as an option, which he doesn’t want to do as he wants to appeal to both sides but actually leave, thus only ‘appealing’ to one side who don’t want the version of leave he’s offering anyway.

I honestly can’t understand why the public found the message hard to understand. :roll:

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:17 am
by youngian
:D I was just reaching for the Soap theme as well. A clearer description of Corbyn's position you will not find.
thus only ‘appealing’ to one side who don’t want the version of leave he’s offering anyway.

Even if they did the chances of Leave voters giving a beardy lefty CNDer from Islington the keys to No 10 are still zero.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:10 pm
by Winegums
bluebellnutter wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:50 am
Andy McDandy wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:16 pm
If only Kier had stood for leader in 2015.
He'd have lost like the others. The three quidders would have backed Corbyn over anyone in that election. The real shame is it was Corbyn and not one of the semi-capable left-wingers.
Corbyn won without the new members brought in under changes by Ed Milliband. He simply won overall. I know it's hard to understand, but centrist politics aren't actually inspiring.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm
by Winegums
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:12 am
It’s perfectly clear. Corbyn supports a people’s vote in the form of a GE he won’t get unless he can form a government without a GE, which won’t happen, in which case he’ll negotiate a new Brexit deal even though the negotiations are closed and he has the same red lines as May did so even if they weren’t it’d be the same anyway, which he won’t ask the people to approve. But failing that he’ll definitely support a people’s vote with options to appeal to leavers and remainers, but not explicitly ‘leave’ or ‘remain’ because if you say leave or remain then you can’t put forward some crappy deal to actually leave as the remain option. Unless he’s forced to put remain as an option, which he doesn’t want to do as he wants to appeal to both sides but actually leave, thus only ‘appealing’ to one side who don’t want the version of leave he’s offering anyway.

I honestly can’t understand why the public found the message hard to understand. :roll:
Various leaders in Europe have said that they won't allow extension without 2nd ref or GE. We aren't going to pass a deal with parliamentary arithmetic as it stands. Nobody will let parliament bail out with NDB. We're heading to a GE or a 2nd ref either way.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:23 pm
by crabcakes_windermere
Winegums wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm
Various leaders in Europe have said that they won't allow extension without 2nd ref or GE. We aren't going to pass a deal with parliamentary arithmetic as it stands. Nobody will let parliament bail out with NDB. We're heading to a GE or a 2nd ref either way.
Well yes, I know that - but that wasn't *my* position. Have you thought about telling Jeremy, perhaps?