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By oboogie
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youngian wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 8:34 am
Benn was always an engaging guest on TV and radio but Corbyn is not even as interesting as Eric Heffer
Completely agree on both. Politically I agreed with Benn and Corbyn on most things and strongly disagreed with them on only a few, but on a personal level they couldn't be more different. I could, and did, listen to Benn for hours - his tours with Roy Bailey for example - he was intelligent, well read and often witty. Corbyn, every interview was excruciating and every speech tediously dull, humourless and abrasive.
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#612396
Back when he first got voted in and first started messing up, I made a point of watching some of Corbyn’s speeches as I felt I at least owed him a second chance. At first he seems pretty good - engaged, and passionate about his topic. But then when you watch another one and another you realise it’s the exact same thing, every single time - and even when the topics change (which they rarely did, and always on a common theme), he uses the same points. And away from that pre-prepared, much rehearsed speech which once you seen once you’ve seen them all, he’s stuffy and humourless, and downright petulant in interviews if he feels the interviewer is asking him the ‘wrong’ thing and/or is not sufficiently deferential to his ‘life-long campaigning against [thing]’.

He won’t be a national treasure because his appeal is very niche and he has nowhere near the charisma to power beyond that. Benn wanted to put things right, and even if you disagreed you could see where he was coming from. Corbyn just wants to tell you that HE is right, and complain about other people who aren’t.
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By oboogie
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Benn thrived on debate, Corbyn's both incapable and uninterested in debate with anyone who disagrees with him.

Edited for illiteracy. Thanks to Cyclist for pointing it out.
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oboogie wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 8:56 am
youngian wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 8:34 am
Benn was always an engaging guest on TV and radio but Corbyn is not even as interesting as Eric Heffer
Completely agree on both. Politically I agreed with Benn and Corbyn on most things and strongly disagreed with them on only a few, but on a personal level they couldn't be more different. I could, and did, listen to Benn for hours - his tours with Roy Bailey for example - he was intelligent, well read and often witty. Corbyn, every interview was excruciating and every speech tediously dull, humourless and abrasive.
I've noted on here before that I first met Tony Benn in the early sixties when he addressed a public meeting in the local public hall, arranged by the CLP. He spoke well and eloquently, and at the end a group of half-a-dozen Young Socialists including me stood at the stage where he sat, legs dangling, with his pipe and his eternal mug of tea, whilst he answered our (no doubt naive) questions and explained his beliefs in detail. I too had few disagreements with him - over Europe, obviously, where I think he was utterly wrong, and even then over nationalisation. In the 90s he came and spoke to our 6th form. He was completely unchanged, and spoke to a group of half-a-dozen young socialists at the end with pipe and tea.

He was intelligent and charismatic - not a prime minister by a million miles, but he inspired people. Trouble was he wanted people to think for themselves and adapt to changing times, which he rather failed to do himself in his more mature years, and Corbyn never managed to do at all.
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When it comes to Tony Benn I think of this quote from Denis Healey.
'He often reminded me in his earnest but destructive innocence of Gregers Werle in Ibsen's The Wild Duck, who ruins a happy family in his pursuit of the ideal'
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As for Corbyn he will never be a national treasure he and his followers destroyed the Labour Party and that should never be forgotten.
 
By Abernathy
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The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 3:01 pm
As for Corbyn he will never be a national treasure he and his followers NEARLY destroyed the Labour Party and that should never be forgotten.
FTFY
 
By Oblomov
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Bloke I chat politics with on the semi-regular reckons Corbyn would have stormed to a General Election win if he'd just said what he wanted to say about the EU, the truth that it wasn't some socialist utopia but a neoliberal trading cartel but apparently the Islington Set wouldn't allow that or summat :roll:
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