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By crabcakes_windermere
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Winegums wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:19 am
I don't know how to explain it any more clearly. It's frustrating when none of you engage with the points at hand.

Let's start simple - why is a Labour MP supporting the Conservative PM?
Perhaps she's following Corbyn's lead, given his line on Brexit votes has effectively kept May in her job far longer than she deserves. That is political support, and in the circumstances we find ourselves in far more dangerous for the country. JP's tweet appears to be personal support from one woman in a role where they get misogynist abuse to another.

That shows JP is a well-rounded, grounded, empathetic person who is capable of separating people from politics, rather than some frothing headbanger who sees anyone not in the right tribe as 'the enemy' and mentally strips them of all their humanity as a prelude to being able to square the worst possible attacks on them as acceptable. This ability to break from the relentless toxicity of modern politics is probably why - coupled with her hard work in her constituency - she is so popular, except with Corbyn fans of course as she's not a suck-up and will happily tell the old bluffer and his fawning entourage where to get off (though worth remembering that Corbyn was also no sycophant either, but apparently that's fine for him).
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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And just as an aside on the whole 'you can't be friends with the enemy', the ranting, Morning Star selling head of the campus Socialist Worker party regularly used to joke and drink with the head of the Young Conservatives after AGMs where I attended university. It was all a game to them, attempting to score points off of each other and get their way, most often at the expense of getting anything useful done while they clogged up proceedings with their pet projects or heckled and abused from the sidelines. The former continues to rant and rave on various forums while (as I understand it) enjoying the benefits of a well paid job in London. The latter is now very high up in the Taxpayer's Alliance.

The people in the middle are the ones usually getting things done while the people at either end waffle on about needing to not treat anyone on the opposing side with even the slightest shred of civility, while actually being more concerned about consolidating power and influence by taking people out on their own side who might threaten them. It's no coincidence that both the far left and far right constantly bang on about loyalty and traitors, because they're both terrified that they will lose ground and influence to moderates and those willing to compromise.
 
By Winegums
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:41 am
Winegums wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:19 am
I don't know how to explain it any more clearly. It's frustrating when none of you engage with the points at hand.

Let's start simple - why is a Labour MP supporting the Conservative PM?
Perhaps she's following Corbyn's lead, given his line on Brexit votes has effectively kept May in her job far longer than she deserves. That is political support, and in the circumstances we find ourselves in far more dangerous for the country. JP's tweet appears to be personal support from one woman in a role where they get misogynist abuse to another.

That shows JP is a well-rounded, grounded, empathetic person who is capable of separating people from politics, rather than some frothing headbanger who sees anyone not in the right tribe as 'the enemy' and mentally strips them of all their humanity as a prelude to being able to square the worst possible attacks on them as acceptable. This ability to break from the relentless toxicity of modern politics is probably why - coupled with her hard work in her constituency - she is so popular, except with Corbyn fans of course as she's not a suck-up and will happily tell the old bluffer and his fawning entourage where to get off (though worth remembering that Corbyn was also no sycophant either, but apparently that's fine for him).
I WROTE LMAO AND IT WAS REPLACED WITH THIS. THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN EVERY TIME I DO IT, UNTIL I LEARN. PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME TOO SERIOUSLY, I'M JUST MISGUIDED fuck off with this girl power shit, May either covered up or ignored accusations of rapes and abuse of women at Yarl's wood. She's actively been part of a government hellbent on inflicting death and misery on the public and justifying it with Victorian moralising about bootstraps and belt-tightening. She can fuck off and so can Jess Phillips for supporting her.

Presumably we need to shed a tear for Thatcher too, since it's a Man's world 'n all?

And separating politics from people is such a weird way to think. Politics is people. Your politics say vastly more about your personality, upbringing, values etc than your taste in clothes or favourite film.

One of my friends would get into politics pretty early on in a date. If his date was right wing, he'd politely leave after a few drinks. He said he could never have sex with someone who's right wing, because it's such an unattractive trait.
 
By bluebellnutter
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Winegums wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:51 pm
One of my friends would get into politics pretty early on in a date. If his date was right wing, he'd politely leave after a few drinks. He said he could never have sex with someone who's right wing, because it's such an unattractive trait.
He needs to get out more.
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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Winegums wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:51 pm

I WROTE LMAO AND IT WAS REPLACED WITH THIS. THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN EVERY TIME I DO IT, UNTIL I LEARN. PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME TOO SERIOUSLY, I'M JUST MISGUIDED fuck off with this girl power shit, May either covered up or ignored accusations of rapes and abuse of women at Yarl's wood. She's actively been part of a government hellbent on inflicting death and misery on the public and justifying it with Victorian moralising about bootstraps and belt-tightening. She can fuck off and so can Jess Phillips for supporting her.

Presumably we need to shed a tear for Thatcher too, since it's a Man's world 'n all?

And separating politics from people is such a weird way to think. Politics is people. Your politics say vastly more about your personality, upbringing, values etc than your taste in clothes or favourite film.

One of my friends would get into politics pretty early on in a date. If his date was right wing, he'd politely leave after a few drinks. He said he could never have sex with someone who's right wing, because it's such an unattractive trait.
I’d prefer MPs to call out instances where the person not the ball is played, regardless of party. Even if that means saying attacking a Tory is wrong when it is because of the context,

May is an obnoxious politician, but she has plenty enough to take her down on without using the fact she’s a woman as reason in itself. That’s what Jess Philips was calling out.

Politics can be a big thing and shape your approach to things, but it doesn’t have to be the be all and end all either. You can be cordial to people with different views, and friends with people if you have common ground elsewhere. Sure, I doubt you or I would find much to chat with Tommy Robinson about, but you and I would have a hell of a lot more in common than not despite obvious disagreements on here. Differences are hugely amplified online, and to be honest I’m sick of it.
 
By Winegums
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:07 pm
Winegums wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:51 pm

I WROTE LMAO AND IT WAS REPLACED WITH THIS. THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN EVERY TIME I DO IT, UNTIL I LEARN. PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME TOO SERIOUSLY, I'M JUST MISGUIDED fuck off with this girl power shit, May either covered up or ignored accusations of rapes and abuse of women at Yarl's wood. She's actively been part of a government hellbent on inflicting death and misery on the public and justifying it with Victorian moralising about bootstraps and belt-tightening. She can fuck off and so can Jess Phillips for supporting her.

Presumably we need to shed a tear for Thatcher too, since it's a Man's world 'n all?

And separating politics from people is such a weird way to think. Politics is people. Your politics say vastly more about your personality, upbringing, values etc than your taste in clothes or favourite film.

One of my friends would get into politics pretty early on in a date. If his date was right wing, he'd politely leave after a few drinks. He said he could never have sex with someone who's right wing, because it's such an unattractive trait.
I’d prefer MPs to call out instances where the person not the ball is played, regardless of party. Even if that means saying attacking a Tory is wrong when it is because of the context,

May is an obnoxious politician, but she has plenty enough to take her down on without using the fact she’s a woman as reason in itself. That’s what Jess Philips was calling out.

Politics can be a big thing and shape your approach to things, but it doesn’t have to be the be all and end all either. You can be cordial to people with different views, and friends with people if you have common ground elsewhere. Sure, I doubt you or I would find much to chat with Tommy Robinson about, but you and I would have a hell of a lot more in common than not despite obvious disagreements on here. Differences are hugely amplified online, and to be honest I’m sick of it.
Nothing about the criticism of May has been about her being a woman. All of it has been about her being a weak, ineffectual politician whose political maneuvering has utterly failed to deliver the chimeric brexit her party promised the electorate.

It's possible to feel some pity for her being stuck with this unsquarable circle. But then I remember her CRUSH THE SABOTEURS headline. I remember the glee with which she declared a GE, so keen to wipe out Labour.

I could understand Jess standing up for Theresa against horrendous sexism. I could understand her sending condolences if Theresa's husband died. But just comforting her because she's a woman who's bad at her job of fucking over the country for the rich and powerful isn't really a convincing argument.
 
By Abernathy
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Rather than chumming up to Theresa, it seems to me that Jess's tweet was far more about rightly ripping the pish out of the tedious flounce-outs of Davis, Johnson, and the various other swivel-eyed Brexiteers in response to the Chequers proposals.

Jess certainly holds no brief for Theresa May, and frankly it's somewhat pathetic to try and infer from that tweet that she has.

To be expected from The Cult, I dare say, but still desperate and pathetic.
 
By Winegums
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I, too, don't want my enemies fighting amongst themselves. Truly only though a united Tory party can Labour succeed.
 
By Winegums
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I want the tories to infight. They don't have the numbers to pass a hard brexit. The last time we got into power it was off the back of a Tory party eating its own heart.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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Wrong. We had a party that offered a more attractive society than the tired and sleazy tories - who had been just as sleazy the last time they won. We offered charisma in exchange for grey.
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By crabcakes_windermere
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JP posted a tweet today pointing out the duplicity of May’s ‘diverse’ cabinet, where many of the women there can’t even vote. So she’s no friend of hers.

Though to be fair, May didn’t write the ‘Crush the saboteurs’ headline - that was pure Dacre.

The problem is the Tories don’t need the numbers to pass hard brexit - that happens as a matter of law next March unless it’s revoked, postponed or a deal is reached. The clock is ticking because article 50 is passed. That’s why the headbangers are worried - a collapse could change things, whereas before all they needed to do was hang on and run down the timer to get the hardest of brexits.
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