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By Daley Mayle
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#471551
Split, schism, that kind of thing.

This is a depressing time for your common or garden Labour voter. Unlike many on here I am not a party activist, I just vote Labour and have done so for more than forty years. The exception to this was 2010 when Labour was in my opinion knackered and I voted Lib Dem but be that as it may.

I suppose my politics is centre left and a socialist with a small 's' so my Labour vote was easy to make even though I progressed from a very working class background, lived on a council estate, my dad was a shop steward etc to a middle class life where I had my own business, employed people.

If this board's Labour activists is a microcosm of the Party in general and, to be honest, is reflected in what I can see and read about the various factions' infighting, then I would be reluctant to cast my vote for Labour in the next GE, I think the divisions are too deep.

Labour's problems are massive and from my perspective it's like a kid watching a bad marriage disintegrate. From 2010-2015 it went through the 'let's try and work it out, y'know, for the sake of the kids' to the current face to face screaming in the living room where I sit at the top of the stairs listening to the hate and gripping the spindles in horror, partly because the parents are enjoying it in some perverse way.[/analogy]

The Tories have always been divided over the EU but they managed to part with the Remain Prime Minister and replace with another Remainer in a few weeks of mild infighting. They were prepared to set aside differences for the greater good of the Tory party. As for Labour the split is too wide and too much damage has been done over the last 12 months for the Party to regroup and move forward.

As far as I can see Labour needs to to split into separate far left and centre left parties. The far left with its 40 or so MPs should keep the Labour tag, after all they had it first. Anyway, the name in itself does not reflect 21st century Britain, most of the labouring jobs are long gone.

The remaining MPs should create a new party and then give themselves up to their CLPs for reselection and try and persuade the CLP to get behind this new party.

Unless something along these lines happens I fear a landslide for the Tories with UKIP also picking up Labour seats. How many constituencies did they come a close second to Labour in 2015?
By mikey mikey
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#471756
Daley Mayle wrote:I think I'll vote Plaid in 2020.
I think that would be for the best. Should Owen Smith prove to be the caretaker leader that I suspect that he has been chosen to be and should Hunt or Hilery Benn be coronated as New Labout Leader, then I would not advocate a split at all.

I would acknowledge that I had irreconcilable difference with the LP and rather than ruin the party for other members, I would choose another party that was closer to my own political views.
 
By The Weeping Angel
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#471805
Daley Mayle wrote:
Littlejohn's brain wrote:Splitting the party is the worst possible thing to do.
Why? The Party is split. Should Corbyn win the leadership election will you stop attacking him and get behind him as your Party's leader?
No I will continue to remain and resist him and his cult.
 
By Daley Mayle
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#471882
Littlejohn's brain wrote:
Daley Mayle wrote:
Littlejohn's brain wrote:Splitting the party is the worst possible thing to do.
Why? The Party is split. Should Corbyn win the leadership election will you stop attacking him and get behind him as your Party's leader?
No I will continue to remain and resist him and his cult.
Eh? If the majority of the Labour Party members want him as a Leader why do you feel you have the right to try and depose him? That is an affront to democracy.
 
By bluebellnutter
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#471883
Not sure that logic holds much water. A bit like saying after every general election no other parties should turn up to Parliament bar the victorious one, because opposition is undemocratic.
By mikey mikey
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#471890
We should accept that bbn knows what's best. Other mortals have mere opinions
Last edited by mikey mikey on Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:45 am, edited 2 times in total.
 
By Daley Mayle
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bluebellnutter wrote:Not sure that logic holds much water. A bit like saying after every general election no other parties should turn up to Parliament bar the victorious one, because opposition is undemocratic.
As I explained on the OP I have always voted Labour apart from 2010: My Year Of Shame. Having said that my vote for Labour is not guaranteed and there is no way I'd vote for Labour if it's still biting chunks out of itself come the next General Election.

The Party has now polarised into two distinct camps and being left of centre myself if Corbyn is still Labour Leader at the next GE supported by just 40 MPs I will not vote for the Party. Why should I? If the vast majority of MPs don't want him then why should I vote Labour? There is plenty of talent among these Labour MPs who would make a great leader yet they are cowards and self-serving and not prepared to come forward.

However if the Labour party did split then assuming my constituency's Labour candidate was in this offshoot then I'd happily vote for him/her.
 
By Abernathy
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Daley Mayle wrote:being left of centre myself if Corbyn is still Labour Leader at the next GE supported by just 40 MPs I will not vote for the Party. Why should I? If the vast majority of MPs don't want him then why should I vote Labour?
I think that Daley has just encapsulated very neatly why the Corbyn debacle is ultimately doomed.
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