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Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:12 am
by Boiler
Other political parties are available that more closely echo Momentum's ideals. So they can fuck off and join them and leave Labour to the grown-ups.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:46 am
by bluebellnutter
"Tell the entryists to fuck off" say entryists.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:59 am
by Abernathy
The People's Front of Judea has arrived !


https://labourlist.org/2020/04/exclusiv ... o-refound-

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:06 am
by Zuriblue
Abernathy wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:59 am
The People's Front of Judea has arrived !


https://labourlist.org/2020/04/exclusiv ... o-refound-
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Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:46 am
by Cyclist
@visage

I know you told me not to. But...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Momentum

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:17 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Well worth a read:


Re: Momentum

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:27 am
by Cyclist
That is a fantastic piece Malcolm.

This quote, to me, encapsulates Corbynism in a nutshell:
Always the politics of who can be blamed rather than what can be done.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:07 am
by crabcakes_windermere
I had a Raleigh Grifter. It was surprisingly like Corbynism in that I was sold it on the basis it was a significant improvement on my racer and a different type of bike. However it turned out to be made of pig iron so was heavy, slow and a huge effort to move, had dreadful gears that often just didn't do anything at all, and in the end rusted so badly that it fell apart.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:37 am
by youngian
Abernathy wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:59 am
The People's Front of Judea has arrived !


https://labourlist.org/2020/04/exclusiv ... o-refound-

That’s old hat. The future belongs to...
Momentum needs a radical rebirth – that’s why we’re launching Momentum Internationalists https://labourlist.org/2020/04/momentum ... ionalists/

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:07 am
by Cyclist
Isn't Momentalist pro-Brexit? How does such small-minded isolationism fit with internationalism?


My granddad (the Communist one) thought the EU was generally a Good Thing. "Workers of the world unite" and all that. The workers of so many different countries having the same regulations and protections across the board was a big step in the right direction in his opinion.

He would have had no time for Allotment Jesus. While he would have been delighted to re-Nationalise everything under the sun, that one issue - the EU - would have killed any regard for Corbyn, and put my CPGB* granddad firmly in the Blairite red-Tory centrist melt camp as far as Momentalists were concerned.


*While a card-carrying communist he was a life-long Labour voter. He would have no truck with the SWP and it's variants. He believed it was only through the efforts of the Labour Party that a socialist Utopia could be achieved.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:09 am
by crabcakes_windermere
I have a manager who constantly rearranges and rewrites procedures for a certain ongoing task rather than ever actually dealing with the real problem - that the process itself is fundamentally flawed and needs binning and replacing with something entirely different. And she does this because in doing so she can make a big fuss about having a 'new, better' system in place that will work for everyone and solve all the problems, and kick the can down the road again only to have another relaunch in a few months. But underneath it is the same old shitty process that doesn't work properly.

No reason I mention that. None at all.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:13 am
by Timbo
Momentum Internationalists?!?!? So, lots of comprehensive free trade agreements that block protectionism and state aid? Or is this that weird branch that thinks zero military intervention and pulling back all active foreign policy is internationalist by means of "getting out of the way of things that aren't our business"?

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:16 am
by youngian
Isn't Momentalist pro-Brexit? How does such small-minded isolationism fit with internationalism?

This was Momentum’s problem that old Bennites and Stalinists had a big problem selling nationalist protectionism to the iPad millennials. Corbyn’s anti-free movement stance particularly irked young Momentumites

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:12 pm
by mattomac
Labourlist are churning out an article every 4 hours about momentum, which is impressive considering they don’t even belong to the Labour Party.

Re: Momentum

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:50 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
youngian wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:16 am
Isn't Momentalist pro-Brexit? How does such small-minded isolationism fit with internationalism?

This was Momentum’s problem that old Bennites and Stalinists had a big problem selling nationalist protectionism to the iPad millennials. Corbyn’s anti-free movement stance particularly irked young Momentumites
I think Jez himself had problems with it, never mind anyone else. Humanitarian support for immigrants on the one hand and suspicion of freedom of movement. The humanitarianism did win out, in fairness to him, and he mostly avoided the sort of nonsense Labour had gone in for in the past.