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By mr angry manchester
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The concern I have with Starmer is that I don't see his strategy for winning back red wall votes,or votes in other areas which Labour need to win.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's much, much better than Corbyn, but so far his tactics seem to be hoping that he can get to a position in 4 years time where he can face off with Johnson and say "do you want another 4/5 years of this clown or me?"
 
By spoonman
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For the time being, with the next potential General Election four years away, there's not much need for Starmer to make haste other than to be competent in his role, and to try and bide his time well. There's little point fighting on an election front at the moment.

However, I can't see a PM Johnson come 2024 either. Once the reality of Brexit starts to hit in just over six months, I doubt he'll want to take much if any responsibility for it. Starmer is perhaps caught between a rock and a hard place when it eventually comes - he'll need to maintain constructive criticism without going all "TOLD YA! TOLD YA! TOLD YA SOOOOOOOOO!" and I'd like to think he's already making preparations to cover the likely potential scenarios that'll arrive.
 
By youngian
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mr angry manchester wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:34 pm
The concern I have with Starmer is that I don't see his strategy for winning back red wall votes,or votes in other areas which Labour need to win.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's much, much better than Corbyn, but so far his tactics seem to be hoping that he can get to a position in 4 years time where he can face off with Johnson and say "do you want another 4/5 years of this clown or me?"
You’re a hostage to fortune if developing transient strategies and policies at this point in the electoral cycle. Starmer’s doing the right thing getting out there meeting people around the country instead of, as already mentioned, arranging to get your arse kissed by activists like Corbyn.
 
By Oblomov
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:45 pm
I hope none of these scientists work in the private sector or anything. Don't want any neoliberals!
If those scientists truly believed in a more egalitarian society they would've invented the means and machines necessary for post-scarcity already!
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By Andy McDandy
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At university, one lecture touched on the origins of the Internet - ARPAnet and so on, US military systems - causing our resident Trot to instantly shoot his hand up and ask the lecturer if this meant that the Internet was inherently evil. Because, he said, to use it would be somehow justifying My Lai, Irangate, intervention in Nicaragua and presumably Wounded bloody Knee.

The twat. Not often that you get not just the lecturer but a fair few of the class telling someone to just leave it.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Oblomov wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:24 am
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:45 pm
I hope none of these scientists work in the private sector or anything. Don't want any neoliberals!
If those scientists truly believed in a more egalitarian society they would've invented the means and machines necessary for post-scarcity already!
Yeah. They'd rather work for Smith Kline Beacham. A socialist like Jez would never work for someone like them.
 
By Oblomov
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:47 am
But that is central to their thinking.

It's also a strategem popular with 7 year-olds. You can't tell them to go to bed because you once stayed up late watching TV.
And then it devolves into circular "No True Socialist" bickering when it's pointed out to them that some far-left governments haven't exactly been angelic or functional, especially those that have established themselves as global superpowers.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:27 am
Oblomov wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:24 am
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:45 pm
I hope none of these scientists work in the private sector or anything. Don't want any neoliberals!
If those scientists truly believed in a more egalitarian society they would've invented the means and machines necessary for post-scarcity already!
Yeah. They'd rather work for Smith Kline Beacham. A socialist like Jez would never work for someone like them.
That's why Jezza never had a non-politics job, of course. His rejection of capitalist educational qualifications also marks him apart from the herd.
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