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By crabcakes_windermere
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Starmer outplayed Johnson thoroughly in PMQs today. Not on what he said (although he did), but what he didn't. Johnson started talking about brexit in reply to a question on covid tests. He expected a full-on assault on the working agreement, instead got dragged over the coals on test & trace, but tried to use his prepped lines.

And then this:



The game's up. Starmer is making him own everything, and they have no response because they're expecting an argument they're not getting.
 
By Bones McCoy
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Students of the rhetorics might have spotted that 'gaffe'
Lacks basic incompetence
Can be interpreted as a double negative, but can also imply that the government are worse than basic incompetent.
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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What else is telling is that whoever's PMQ tactics these are (classic Dom's?), they only worked when he was facing Corbyn - who'd either go off on a tangent about bus passes that was no threat anyway or walk straight into a trap marked TRAP. They don't work if your opponent has guessed what you'll do and set up to play a different game. And they've had weeks of this now with no response and no change of tactic.

They weren't coasting with Corbyn. That was actually the best they had anyway.
 
By Andy McDandy
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Agreeing with the above. The Cummings model is to attack all the time. As said previously, a never ending series of 1 on 1 confrontations, in which all that matters is to be seen as winning. Exhibit A - Johnson after PMQs, complaining that Starmer didn't attack him on the breach of international law (obeying some rules made up by foreigners vs putting one over on Johnny Mick - no contest how that plays out for the Sun reader crowd).

Cummings may love his 4D chess, but Starmer's getting them to play D&D, and he's playing a very good PvP* game.

*Player vs player. Most roleplaying games are collaborative by design - the party succeeds or fails as a unit. A PvPer is a player who actively sets out to pursue their own interests ahead of the common party goals, up to and including killing any player character who tries to stop them. A smart party will recognise this player a mile off, and get them to a point where they incriminate themselves, or abandon their plan. Or have the rest of the party kill them.
 
By The Red Arrow
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Our favourite funny things people said about Keir Starmer’s face at PMQs

Kier Starmer had a bit of a moment at Prime Minister’s Questions today after his attempts to get a straight answer out of Boris Johnson didn’t go as well as he’d hoped.

How bad was it? This bad...

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2020/09/09/ou ... face-pmqs/
 
By MisterMuncher
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Andy McDandy wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:27 pm
Agreeing with the above. The Cummings model is to attack all the time. As said previously, a never ending series of 1 on 1 confrontations, in which all that matters is to be seen as winning. Exhibit A - Johnson after PMQs, complaining that Starmer didn't attack him on the breach of international law (obeying some rules made up by foreigners vs putting one over on Johnny Mick - no contest how that plays out for the Sun reader crowd).

Cummings may love his 4D chess, but Starmer's getting them to play D&D, and he's playing a very good PvP* game.

*Player vs player. Most roleplaying games are collaborative by design - the party succeeds or fails as a unit. A PvPer is a player who actively sets out to pursue their own interests ahead of the common party goals, up to and including killing any player character who tries to stop them. A smart party will recognise this player a mile off, and get them to a point where they incriminate themselves, or abandon their plan. Or have the rest of the party kill them.
Cummings fancies himself DM* here, and has been building toward "Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies"**

*Dungeon Master, the referee/storyteller/director
** Where the players are placed in an inescapable trap and killed by fiat of the DM. Usually as an act of petulance because they're fucking with his carefully railroaded "campaign"
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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Starmer now has an article in the Telegraph telling Johnson to get on with it. The usual sorts will be livid, but no doubt not as livid as Johnson - his attempt to restart another culture war hasn’t just failed, he’s now being made to own it on his own turf.
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By Boiler
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:22 pm
Meanwhile, Mr Fenton appears to have gone full Starmer. Never go full Starmer, Tim.
Fenton's piece has predictably attracted the attention of Dave Spart in the comments.
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