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#554233
davidjay wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:47 pm
Under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership the Tories have claimed the high ground on racism and women blame other women for sexual abuse claims. What a politician. What a leader. What a man.
lmao no they haven't. they just keep saying they have to distract from the actual anti-semitism they're engaged in. its reality vs narrative and the sharp minds of mailwatch have swallowed the bait like they always do.
#554238
Been covered ad-nauseum. Anti-semitic views in the party lower now than they were under miliband.
#554247
Winegums wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:06 pm
davidjay wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:47 pm
Under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership the Tories have claimed the high ground on racism and women blame other women for sexual abuse claims. What a politician. What a leader. What a man.
lmao no they haven't. they just keep saying they have to distract from the actual anti-semitism they're engaged in. its reality vs narrative and the sharp minds of mailwatch have swallowed the bait like they always do.

I think we've all grasped that.

We've also grasped that there is no acceptable background level of anti-Semitism, and eliminating it from Labour's ranks would be the right thing to do for it's own sake.

We've all also grasped that for electoral purposes, perception may as well be reality, so getting it fucking sorted is a good thing, and whining that the other kids are doing it too is neither useful or intelligent.

You don't appear to have grasped much more than your member, though.
#554248
Winegums wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:16 pm
Been covered ad-nauseum. Anti-semitic views in the party lower now than they were under miliband. stop trying to force a story you melt.
It's this deeply intellectual level of debate we've missed while you were away. Welcome back.
#554251
MisterMuncher wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:16 pm
Winegums wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:06 pm
davidjay wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:47 pm
Under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership the Tories have claimed the high ground on racism and women blame other women for sexual abuse claims. What a politician. What a leader. What a man.
lmao no they haven't. they just keep saying they have to distract from the actual anti-semitism they're engaged in. its reality vs narrative and the sharp minds of mailwatch have swallowed the bait like they always do.

I think we've all grasped that.

We've also grasped that there is no acceptable background level of anti-Semitism, and eliminating it from Labour's ranks would be the right thing to do for it's own sake.

We've all also grasped that for electoral purposes, perception may as well be reality, so getting it fucking sorted is a good thing, and whining that the other kids are doing it too is neither useful or intelligent.

You don't appear to have grasped much more than your member, though.
Why is the much lower level of anti-semitic thought in the Labour party an issue now when it wasn't when it was higher under Miliband? Why is this more of an issue for Labour than it is for the Conservatives when they're actively supporting anti-semitic parties in europe?
#554256
The public holds Labour to a higher moral standard than they do to the Tories. It's not fair and don't ask me why, but that's the way it is.

As others have said, there's no acceptable or tolerable level of AS in the party. Under Miliband there was a sort of fig leaf - "how can you call us AS when our leader is Jewish?" - but that's not there any more.
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#554275
Winegums wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:16 pm
Anti-semitic views in the party lower now than they were under miliband. stop trying to force a story you melt.
Antisemitism within the Labour Party is lower now than it was under Ed Miliband???!! Come on, even Corbyn himself wouldn't believe that!
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Winegums wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:54 pm

Why is the much lower level of anti-semitic thought in the Labour party an issue now when it wasn't when it was higher under Miliband? Why is this more of an issue for Labour than it is for the Conservatives when they're actively supporting anti-semitic parties in europe?

Why is this obfuscation necessary every time you're asked simply and directly why opposing anti-Semitism in the Labour party isn't the right thing to do on its own merits?

I mean, ethically, morally, intellectually, none of that stuff you're saying matters a shit. "Less cunty then the Tories" isn't a particularly high bar to clear.
#554291
Andy McDandy wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:40 am
The public holds Labour to a higher moral standard than they do to the Tories. It's not fair and don't ask me why, but that's the way it is.

As others have said, there's no acceptable or tolerable level of AS in the party. Under Miliband there was a sort of fig leaf - "how can you call us AS when our leader is Jewish?" - but that's not there any more.
Labour are held to higher standards because of the basics of the two parties. We say that we're the party of decency and fairness. They say have no morals, no scruples, just grab what you want using whatever means you can. I know which position I'd rather be in.
#554451
Winegums wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:54 pm
Why is the much lower level of anti-semitic thought in the Labour party an issue now when it wasn't when it was higher under Miliband? Why is this more of an issue for Labour than it is for the Conservatives when they're actively supporting anti-semitic parties in europe?
Maybe people who deplore bigotry would like to vote for a party that isn't run by bigots who are either bigots from ignorance, from denial, from indifference or from outright hatred? Just a thought.

But really, it's competence, isn't it.

The current leader of one of the major parties makes a big fuss out of being intolerant of intolerance. So if he has a massive blindspot due to personal bias, naivety or whatever, and stays all but silent when bigots claim they speak for him as long as they are making themselves useful by harassing critics, that makes him a hypocrite and a bully (or an enabler of bullies) and leaves a serious question mark over his judgement and ability to control his supporters.

This isn't either/or. I have supported campaigns to try and get islamophobic and antisemitic Tories censured and removed from office. Labour don't get a free pass just because they're Labour, and 'slightly less shit' isn't a great selling point, nor is whataboutery an acceptable excuse. If Labour can't do measurably better on this, the most piss-easy of tasks for decent people to pull off - to strongly and decisively deal with bigots, than the Tories, why would anyone believe they can do better on anything else?

The answer is they won't. Labour will lose votes and the Tories will blunder on in some form of minority govt or propped up by the DUP or something. So if you want a socialist government led by Corbyn or a Corbyn-approved person, that's why it's an issue.
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The media has gone fucking insane. Also lmao JK Rowling is a hack.
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