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By crabcakes_windermere
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mattomac wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:04 pm

The question is not, who could do a better job than Corbyn? but who couldn't, and try and eradicate them from running next time.
Thing is, I think when members of the fan club ask that question, there’s also an unspoken extra element. It’s not ‘who could do better than Corbyn?’, it’s ‘who could do better than Corbyn and be nigh-on identical while doing so?’

We all know there are loads of people who could do a better job than JC. And a fair few who could do so and be more or less as left wing. He’s inconsistent, misses easy goals, is fickle and thus frequently absent when a topic doesn’t suit, selective on dealing with bigotry, selective on which wars he thinks are bad, grumpy etc - he’s a terrible leader for a modern party (and that doesn’t mean he has to be a slick operator, but not behaving like questions he doesn’t like are an affront to his office like someone from 1920 is absurd).

But the fans all bought into this. Being shit with the press is sticking it to the MSM. The selective behaviour is all conspiracy. The inconsistency is JC playing a game so long there is no end.

Thinking of who else could lead required examination of what makes a good leader. And when you do that objectively, you cannot fail to see how poor Corbyn has been. And then you have to question your whole belief system. So the only replacement must not burst the fragile bubble of belief, and thus everyone is dismissed - there’s always a problem, or a flaw, or a question mark, regardless of the myriad flaws, issues and question marks around the incumbent.

The question can never be satisfactorily answered, because the only acceptable answer to the real question being asked of ‘who - regardless of his dreadfulness as a leader - is the best person at being Jeremy Corbyn?’ is ‘Jeremy Corbyn’.
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By Abernathy
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KevS wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:12 am
See also reports that Caroline Lucas, Liz Saville-Roberts, Ian Blackford, and Vince Cable all turned up for a scheduled meeting with Jez to try and work out what to do next on a cross-party basis...and he just didn't show up.

Incidentally, have any of the shadow front bench said anything about Bercow's actions? The back benches seemed to be having great fun skewering poor old Kwasi Kwarteng yesterday, but apart from Pennycook responding, I haven't seen anything.
I've noticed this. Other than McDonnell, Burgon, and good ol' Barry Gardiner, none of the front bench team ever seem to say anything.
By Silkyman
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I just had a discussion on twitter with a Corbynite who literally used the phrase ‘Long Game’ about his plans around Europe.

And the first sneering at the march began yesterday. Expect to see more from the likes of Owen Jones and Rachael Swindon.
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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That article is just full of absolute bullshit. The sole reason she really has her ‘opinion’ is that it also happens to be Jeremy’s opinion. Same as Winegums, same as Owen Jones, same as a whole host of other short-sighted, purity obsessed dimbulbs who can’t countenance working for a common, overarching cause with people who they disagree with elsewhere so have to dig for and fabricate conspiracies and schemes to justify their inaction. They’d rather see everything burn than take a bucket of water from someone who doesn’t bow down at the altar of St Jez of Islington.

Labour would lose a general election. Even now. And they would lose it because Corbyn has badly let down their membership, mistakenly assumed votes against the Tories at the last GE were votes for him, and is pushing a policy that’s a fag paper away from the disastrous Tory one. Corbyn isn’t their secret weapon, he’s just their massive tool.
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By bluebellnutter
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:45 pm
The sole reason she really has her ‘opinion’ is that it also happens to be Jeremy’s opinion. Same as Winegums, same as Owen Jones, same as a whole host of other short-sighted, purity obsessed dimbulbs who can’t countenance working for a common, overarching cause with people who they disagree with elsewhere so have to dig for and fabricate conspiracies and schemes to justify their inaction.
Those same individuals also can't quite get their heads around a mass movement of people which they aren't part of doing something. They genuinely thought they were the only show in town.
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