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#600332
Apart from Starmer among Remain voters a majority of people don’t know who any of the candidates are. 30% of Leavers have already decided Starmer’s a wrong ‘un. That’s 15% of the electorate which is Farage’s support on a good day. They’re never going to vote Labour anyway.
By karlt
Membership Days
#600498
Some people on that Bookface thing complaining that they haven't had their ballots yet despite asking for a resend. It's all being put down to a conspiracy - either by or against Momentum depending on whether the person complaining intends to vote for RLB or not...
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#600582
karlt wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:34 am
Some people on that Bookface thing complaining that they haven't had their ballots yet despite asking for a resend. It's all being put down to a conspiracy - either by or against Momentum depending on whether the person complaining intends to vote for RLB or not...
the great thing about the current leadership is that if it is some sort of scheme, they've clearly applied it so cack-handedly that it'll have no effect on the overall outcome :grin:
#601509
I see John McDonnell was being wheeled out to face the cameras earlier today, to point out that the latest announcements from the government don't go far enough.

This is where the interminable length of Labour's leadership election is really hurting the party. Whilst the nation coos over the likes of Sunak and Sturgeon, Labour are still being represented by the same faces who were comprehensively rejected by the British voters nearly four months ago.

April 4th can't come quickly enough for the party.
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#601525
It should be brought to an end and the result counted, but the NEC don’t think that is a good idea and Emma Dent whatever feels it should be cancelled, the same woman who said she would consider her place in the party if Corbyn was to stand down, It’s Karen Brady type self interest.
#601861
Very interesting to see Bridget Phillipson currently being touted as a possible contender for Starmer's Shadow Chancellor. I suspect the role will probably go to Reeves or Cooper instead, but it's not the first time I've seen Phillipson highlighted as a possible star of the future for Labour. I first became aware of her when Abers mentioned her a couple of times last year.

Like Stella Creasy, let's hope Phillipson is given a prominent role in the Shadow Cabinet.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:48 pm
I think Cooper or Reeves would look a bit backward looking, and Cooper has a fair bit of baggage. Someone like Phillipson might be better.
You may well be correct, although I think Starmer will need to find a slot somewhere in his team for Cooper. The talent pool doesn't seem that deep at the moment, and Labour are not really in a position anymore where somebody like Cooper can be sidelined for too long. Plus, she's only 51yo and could still be a big presence for the party twenty years from now.
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Arrowhead wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 pm
Very interesting to see Bridget Phillipson currently being touted as a possible contender for Starmer's Shadow Chancellor.
New broom and a good choice as most economic matters are going to be tied to geopolitical Brexit issues and she does know her onions on the EU beyond cheap roaming charges.
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#602125

Some amusing insights from a previous leadership campaign
Kinnock asked the Labour PLP ‘find someone in the country that will say I voted for another party last time but because of what is happening in the contest, I will vote for Labour in the future’.

Benn dismissed claims his policies were unelectable: ‘The real problem for the Labour Party is not that we have not persuaded the electorate to support our policies but we have never persuaded our leaders to support our policies’.

Benn argued that defeats had been ‘the price that has been paid for the long neglect of socialism’. It was people such as Michael Foot – that had caused Labour’s decline: ‘Those who argue that our policy was unpopular seem to forget that our problem lay closer to home. Labour’s claim to be the party of peace had been undermined in 1982 by the opportunistic and unprincipled support for the Falklands War’

When Tony Benn was asked what his chances were of winning he replied: ‘It depends what you mean by winning’

Jon Lansman – the key organiser of the Benn campaign – claimed ‘by the end of the campaign we will have legitimised dissent by having a debate…If we did not do it many would have dropped out of active politics’ Privately Benn noted in his diary that the left – particularly Marxist intellectuals – had ‘gone soft’. He observed that most intellectuals were doing well under Margaret Thatcher so it was quite agreeable to them.

It proved to be a landslide victory for Kinnock who secured 88% of the vote. In the aftermath, Jon Lansman argued that the left must continue its fight and demanded ‘a programme of rallies and publications, leaflets and conferences to be drawn’ to build on the result.
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