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By Kreuzberger
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"The batsman's Holding, the bowler's a fucking fascist." Something like that.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:52 pm
Embery's got a book out.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/despis ... 1509539994
From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.
British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Probably a lot of that. Though if we're lucky Paul will have incorporated some more up to date thinking on this.



What does "economic interventionism" mean anyway? Poland doesn't tax very high at the top- 32% top rate income tax, 23% VAT- doesn't seem very progressive. Spends a fair bit on state aid (though less than Germany and Denmark) but is that money really being spent well, given the state of its politics? Nor is it a big capital investor.
 
By The Weeping Angel
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patriotism, family and faith
Ah now that's what this reminds me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travail,_ ... 0patrie%20(French,of%20the%20Third%20French%20Republic.
Work, family, homeland
I don't think Vichy France is something no self-respecting trade unionist should try to emulate.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Indeed. The way he's put forward as a trade unionist (his actual union don't seem very keen on him) seems like a licence for him to talk rubbish. Rather like calling yourself "Reverend" in the US can be.

What's this evidence that "the metropolitan elite" love their mothers less than the working class anyway? Or that they're not attached to the places they move to?
 
By youngian
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From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

What do the anti-globalist working class feel about US corporations building cars in Dagenham? That’s good but the swots commuting from Dagenham to the City to work for US corporations is bad.
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By Boiler
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youngian wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:38 pm
From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

What do the anti-globalist working class feel about US corporations building cars in Dagenham? That’s good but the swots commuting from Dagenham to the City to work for US corporations is bad.
Errr.... what cars in Dagenham? It only builds engines now. Ford cars are long gone from the whole of the UK: Bridgend also builds engines and Halewood is a 50:50 venture with GETRAG (now Magna PT) to make transmissions.

Your point still stands though.
 
By youngian
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Errr.... what cars in Dagenham? It only builds engines now. Ford cars are long gone from the whole of the UK: Bridgend also builds engines and Halewood is a 50:50 venture with GETRAG (now Magna PT) to make transmissions.

Yes I know, what I’m saying is that Embery’s good old days were when there was a lot more globalist US corporate investment in Dagenham than there is now.
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