[Tubby Isaacs]

This is up there with the Middlesex tannoy man who spotted an error on the scorecard. "FJ Titmus should read Titmus FJ".

[Kreuzberger]

"The batsman's Holding, the bowler's a fucking fascist." Something like that.

[Tubby Isaacs]

[The Weeping Angel]

Embery's got a book out.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/despis ... 1509539994

[Tubby Isaacs]

Embery's got a book out.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/despis ... 1509539994

From the blurb.

They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

[Timbo]

Yes, this sounds rather lazily transposed from discussions of the post-Reagan US culture wars. Surely not?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Probably a lot of that. Though if we're lucky Paul will have incorporated some more up to date thinking on this.

What does "economic interventionism" mean anyway? Poland doesn't tax very high at the top- 32% top rate income tax, 23% VAT- doesn't seem very progressive. Spends a fair bit on state aid (though less than Germany and Denmark) but is that money really being spent well, given the state of its politics? Nor is it a big capital investor.

[The Weeping Angel]

patriotism, family and faith

Ah now that's what this reminds me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travail,_ ... 0patrie%20(French,of%20the%20Third%20French%20Republic.

Work, family, homeland

I don't think Vichy France is something no self-respecting trade unionist should try to emulate.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Indeed. The way he's put forward as a trade unionist (his actual union don't seem very keen on him) seems like a licence for him to talk rubbish. Rather like calling yourself "Reverend" in the US can be.

What's this evidence that "the metropolitan elite" love their mothers less than the working class anyway? Or that they're not attached to the places they move to?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Yep. That's what you said, and what "the left" are saying in response to you.

[youngian]

combines economic interventionism with social conservatism. Who will exploit this sweet spot in British politics?

The DUP?

[youngian]

From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

What do the anti-globalist working class feel about US corporations building cars in Dagenham? That’s good but the swots commuting from Dagenham to the City to work for US corporations is bad.

[Boiler]

From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

What do the anti-globalist working class feel about US corporations building cars in Dagenham? That’s good but the swots commuting from Dagenham to the City to work for US corporations is bad.

Errr.... what cars in Dagenham? It only builds engines now. Ford cars are long gone from the whole of the UK: Bridgend also builds engines and Halewood is a 50:50 venture with GETRAG (now Magna PT) to make transmissions.

Your point still stands though.

[youngian]

Errr.... what cars in Dagenham? It only builds engines now. Ford cars are long gone from the whole of the UK: Bridgend also builds engines and Halewood is a 50:50 venture with GETRAG (now Magna PT) to make transmissions.

Yes I know, what I’m saying is that Embery’s good old days were when there was a lot more globalist US corporate investment in Dagenham than there is now.

[Boiler]

You could have added Luton in in that case