[The Weeping Angel]

Indeed. The way he's put forward as a trade unionist (his actual union don't seem very keen on him) seems like a licence for him to talk rubbish. Rather like calling yourself "Reverend" in the US can be.

What's this evidence that "the metropolitan elite" love their mothers less than the working class anyway? Or that they're not attached to the places they move to?

Yeah they kicked him out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rally.html

Of course he's saying it's unfair dismissal.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I'm worried he might have a case there. But I haven't looked closely.

[Tubby Isaacs]

From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

What do the anti-globalist working class feel about US corporations building cars in Dagenham? That’s good but the swots commuting from Dagenham to the City to work for US corporations is bad.

He'd prefer Trabants.

[Cyclist]

You could have added Luton in in that case

No, that was fine. The less said about Luton, the better.

[davidjay]

From the blurb.
They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embrace globalization, rapid demographic change and a toxic brand of identity politics that divides and dehumanises us.

British white working class (because that's who he means)- famously church-going.

What do the anti-globalist working class feel about US corporations building cars in Dagenham? That’s good but the swots commuting from Dagenham to the City to work for US corporations is bad.

It's because we don't make things any more. I would guess that in this case 'trades unionist' is the same as calling yourself Old Labour and having a union flag on your Twitter avatar - an instinctive dislike of anyone with ideas above their station and a hankering back to the days when Chalkie at work didn't mind a joke.

[youngian]

It's because we don't make things any more. I would guess that in this case 'trades unionist' is the same as calling yourself Old Labour and having a union flag on your Twitter avatar - an instinctive dislike of anyone with ideas above their station and a hankering back to the days when Chalkie at work didn't mind a joke.

I was just about to say there may be something about the Luton working class (and commuters to Dagenham Ford plant that settled in Hackney) that don’t fit Paul’s ‘socialist’ narrative.

Boiler wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:09 pm
You could have added Luton in in that case

[Tubby Isaacs]

In fairness to Blue Labour, I gather that these new people are notoriously anti-faith and anti-family.

[davidjay]

Luton always was a geographical anomaly - a northern town thirty miles from London, as it was once described.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Paul's still going. Or rather he isn't.

[youngian]

In fairness to Blue Labour, I gather that these new people are notoriously anti-faith and anti-family.

Perhaps they do a lot of coke, weed and booze unlike socially conservative Essex.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Ha ha ha,

It must be like Haight-Astbury '68 down there in the more Asian parts of Luton. I know I was always being woken up by Muslim revellers in Tower Hamlets. And I needed that sleep too, had to get up early for church.

[Kreuzberger]

Luton always was a geographical anomaly - a northern town thirty miles from London, as it was once described.

I don't recognise that, to be honest. The place barely existed before the Luftwaffe had a square go at east and norf-east London. My own family stem from the Commercial Road area and also Maida Vale which, back then, was also a khazi.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I note Luton's also got a "so-called university", The University of Bedfordshire. I thought I'd look up Blue Labour's view on universities.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mmigration

Here's Glasman in 2011. Can you tell what it is yet?

The peer, an academic most recently at London Metropolitian University, also suggested ways to correct the idea that a university degree is more valuable to the UK than some applied technical courses. "We don't honour vocation enough, so one of the things which I have put forward is a plan to halve the number of universities and turn the others into vocational colleges. I would like to put the law school and the medical schools into the vocational colleges just so that they are not second class.

Is the writer trolling him there? Would London Met make his own cut? And talk about gesture politics with that lawyer/medic stuff. If you despise traditional vocational provision (I've not met many people who do), you're not going to change your mind because a bureaucrat has moved a law school in.

[cycloon]

I get the feeling anyone who actually does despise vocational education isn't likely to be university educated anyway.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Not so, I am afraid. Most of the cabinet, Fleet Street editors and TV pundits would seem to be of that ilk. And Govel is the main offender, egged on by Comeings.