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By Tubby Isaacs
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The SNP are entitled to point out the shit response of the UK government and talk up their own NHS infrastructure. But this is way over the line. Even ignoring the current context, it's like Sadiq Khan going on Twitter and talking about London productivity being a lot better than Scotland's. Different places are different. Actually, it's worse than that. It's like Sadiq doing that and also attributing the difference to his own brilliance.
Last edited by Tubby Isaacs on Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By Kreuzberger
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The maths are not simple but that wasn't the point that you were making. And nor was Chapman. It is about approaches and the English government, it can't be said often enough, is seeing this as a domestic public relations challenge rather than an international health crisis. It is barely nuanced and it is what is influencing policy to mortal effect.

FFS, even HMG's own adverts reference Covid-19 as "national" rather than global.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:19 pm
The maths are not simple but that wasn't the point that you were making. And nor was Chapman. It is about approaches and the English government, it can't be said often enough, is seeing this as a domestic public relations challenge rather than an international health crisis. It is barely nuanced and it is what is influencing policy to mortal effect.

FFS, even HMG's own adverts reference Covid-19 as "national" rather than global.
The UK government are shit, and the shitness has hurt Scotland. But are the things he mentioned more than marginal to the difference?
 
By Timbo
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:24 pm
I believe the death rate in England is 20 per 100,000, Scotland 11.
With virtually identical control measures implemented around the same times. I suspect this has a lot more to do with population density and larger, lower-density housing than anything else.
 
By Bones McCoy
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There are significant differences in the organisation of NHS in Scotland and England.
The most significant at present being Scotland managed to dodge the breakdown into trusts.

NHS Scotland has 2 departments providing significant scientific and engineering (facilities) support, and adapting to rapid change.

In England, the same job is often done by a scientist and an assistant covering a trust of 2 or 3 hospitals.
Similar numbers of employees per-capita, but not organised for mutual project work.
This setup is OK for day to day steady-state running, but falls apart quickly under pressure.

It's illustrated in Dr McCoy's work where NHS Scotland can contribute 8 scientists, NHS Wales, 4 and 2 labs.
England's muster totals no labs, no scientists, and more salesman than health professionals.


I'll close by stating how unpalatable I find the sort of Scottish "We is the best" Exceptionalism that quickly
enters any social media discussion of things like this.
Scotland's independent institutions has enables a certain amount of bullet-dodging form Thatcher onwards.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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I certainly recognize the last bit, whereby Scotland's only stopped from being rich and socialist by England. I give the SNP credit for using their tax powers as they have, and Scotland benefits from the extra funding. But it's not Denmark.

I've often expressed my dislike of the SNP here, but I should add that this week, when a row kicked off about PPE supplies, Sturgeon didn't overplay it and the Scottish Health Secretary, Jeanne Freeman, phoned up Matt Hancock and accepted assurances that he'd work with them on PPE procurement. Fair play.
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