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Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:19 pm
by bluebellnutter
*Applauds*


Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:36 pm
by youngian
I can't say Jo Swinson's ever floated my boat but would she play with disillusioned Labour and/or Tory voters?

According to the number wonks the Lib Dem seat tally rockets around mid 20s polling from a few dozen to over a 100. Swinson entered parliament at 24 and is still only 39. She's also had more ministerial experience than Corbyn despite him entering parliament seven years before Swinson was born. Experience on reflection we could have well done without.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:32 pm
by Winegums


Fucking shocking that the lib dems are happier joining up with the Tories than they are Corbyn's Labour. Really who could've seen this coming?

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:49 pm
by davidjay
Winegums wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:32 pm


Fucking shocking that the lib dems are happier joining up with the Tories than they are Corbyn's Labour. Really who could've seen this coming?
Ask a grown-up to read it properly and they'll tell you that it doesn't say that at all.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:04 pm
by youngian
That’s a sensible piece of strategising that’ll encourage Tory defectors and entice Labour voters if it hastens Corbyn’s demise. LDs will only be in a position to make this demand if Corbyn has lost yet another election.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:07 pm
by davidjay
youngian wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:04 pm
That’s a sensible piece of strategising that’ll encourage Tory defectors and entice Labour voters if it hastens Corbyn’s demise. LDs will only be in a position to make this demand if Corbyn has lost yet another election.
In a situation like that, you have two choices. Keep singing "No-one likes us, we don't care", or try to figure out why no-one likes you and do something about it.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:09 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
I don't think it really washes for a party that's come third (or whatever) to dictate that the bigger party needs to change its leader.

But Corbyn's not very popular. Not all that much of a risk in saying you won't go into Coalition with him. You can still support him if he does the right thing on Brexit.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:40 pm
by Winegums
No value in stating a position like that, zero political capital to gain. Doubly as it makes it clear you're happier with PM Boris than PM Jeremy.

Almost like they're more comfortable with buddying up with a Tory enacting austerity than they are with a socialist renationalising industry...

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:59 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... tion-boris
The former Cabinet minister in the Tory-Lib Dem administration said there was “no way” he would guide his party into a similar pact if their MPs were in the position to be kingmakers following a snap general election.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:17 am
by Abernathy
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:09 pm
I don't think it really washes for a party that's come third (or whatever) to dictate that the bigger party needs to change its leader.

But Corbyn's not very popular. Not all that much of a risk in saying you won't go into Coalition with him. You can still support him if he does the right thing on Brexit.
Not really "dictating", but making it clear that entering into coalition with Corbyn as PM would not be acceptable to them. As such it's not unreasonable for them to make it a condition of forming it that Corbyn could not be the leader of such a Lib/Lab coalition.

They aren't ruling out entering a coalition with Labour, just ruling out any sort of coalition involving Corbyn.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:22 am
by youngian
They aren't ruling out entering a coalition with Labour, just ruling out any sort of coalition involving Corbyn.

He's a dud with most Labour voters so that's a strong pitch.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:42 am
by Winegums


lol

The whole thread is gold. They're being given soft-ball interview questions and still tying themselves in knots. The winner is going to utterly fall apart during any sort of challenging interviewing

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:13 am
by youngian
Ed Davey is one of the original Orange Bookers who like Clegg would have joined the Tories in the 80s if they were more pro-Europe and not full of vile old bigots like Tebbit. He also has the charisma of a bus stop in January. But not being Jezza or Bozza is still a strong USP.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:30 pm
by Winegums
Hm, yes. Bit like how "sensible but boring" Hillary Clinton won against Trump because he was such a populist windbag.

Re: The LibDems, generally

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:15 pm
by Oblomov
Winegums wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:30 pm
Hm, yes. Bit like how "sensible but boring" Hillary Clinton won against Trump because he was such a populist windbag.
Or Bernie Sanders winning against Hilary because he was such a morally upstanding character promising a brighter future for tomorrow.