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By The Weeping Angel
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Big Arnold wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:40 pm
Scotland voted to stay in the EU though. Something that Cameron said would only be possible by voting to stay in the UK.
Thank you for completely missing my point.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:41 pm

The Brexiteers and the SNP along with the wider indy movement have a lot more in common than either would like to admit.
You care to explain that?
 
By Kreuzberger
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The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:41 pm
The Brexiteers and the SNP along with the wider indy movement have a lot more in common than either would like to admit.
This where the your binary world view falls woefully short, yet again. Whilst there may be similar isolationist motivations at the hardest core of both movements, it is patently nonsense to suggest that this applies to the wider constituency of support for Scottish independence.

As Arnold has pointed out, one of the key promises of No has been shredded. That is the point.
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By The Weeping Angel
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:43 pm
The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:41 pm
The Brexiteers and the SNP along with the wider indy movement have a lot more in common than either would like to admit.
This where the your binary world view falls woefully short, yet again. Whilst there may be similar isolationist motivations at the hardest core of both movements, it is patently nonsense to suggest that this applies to the wider constituency of support for Scottish independence.

As Arnold has pointed out, one of the key promises of No has been shredded. That is the point.
They both share a disregard for facts, both indulge in similar rhetoric talking Britain down/talking Scotland down, both employ an us and them attitude and both blame outside institutions for their problems.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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As Kreuz points out, to show a commonality between the two you need to eschew surface detail and look at deeper beliefs and motivations. A bit of proper analysis.

Otherwise, the left and right wings, socialism and fascism, they're just the same...
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Plus both fail to recognize the problems with splitting from a much bigger neighbour. May now in Europe is what Salmond would have been like trying to dictate terms to Cameron, except worse because Cameron's base care more about stuffing Scotland than the other European Governments do now about stuffing the UK.

Sure, the SNP want to do something much nicer with independence than Brexiters do, but there are similarities.
 
By Big Arnold
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The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:35 pm
Big Arnold wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:40 pm
Scotland voted to stay in the EU though. Something that Cameron said would only be possible by voting to stay in the UK.
Thank you for completely missing my point.
Perhaps you could explain what it was. Remain and Scottish Independence lost after being lied to. Westminster has more control Scotland than the EU does.
 
By The Weeping Angel
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Big Arnold wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:11 am
The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:35 pm
Big Arnold wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:40 pm
Scotland voted to stay in the EU though. Something that Cameron said would only be possible by voting to stay in the UK.
Thank you for completely missing my point.
Perhaps you could explain what it was. Remain and Scottish Independence lost after being lied to. Westminster has more control Scotland than the EU does.
This was my point
They both share a disregard for facts, both indulge in similar rhetoric talking Britain down/talking Scotland down, both employ an us and them attitude and both blame outside institutions for their problems.
Oh and the Yes campaign wasn't lied to it lost because it promised unicorns.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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If you took the time to punctuate, and didn't seem to be intent on posting using a broken Nokia, we might understand the meaning of your posts. If there is one.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Big Arnold wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:11 am
The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:35 pm
Big Arnold wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:40 pm
Scotland voted to stay in the EU though. Something that Cameron said would only be possible by voting to stay in the UK.
Thank you for completely missing my point.
Perhaps you could explain what it was. Remain and Scottish Independence lost after being lied to. Westminster has more control Scotland than the EU does.
The Yes side in the Indyref serially misled about the Scottish economy post Independence.

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... s-and.html
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:26 pm
Big Arnold wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:11 am
The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:35 pm


Thank you for completely missing my point.
Perhaps you could explain what it was. Remain and Scottish Independence lost after being lied to. Westminster has more control Scotland than the EU does.
The Yes side in the Indyref serially misled about the Scottish economy post Independence.

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... s-and.html
how do the Scottish government get more optimistic numbers? John McDermott examines the detail here, but perhaps I can paraphrase his findings: whenever there is room for doubt, assume whatever gives you a higher number. In my youth I did a lot of forecasting, and I learnt how to be very suspicious of a series of individual judgements all of which tended to move something important in the same direction. It is basically fiddling the analysis to get the answer you want. Either wishful thinking or deception.
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