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:sunglasses: 42.9 % ❤ 4.8 % :thumbsup: 9.5 % :grinning: 38.1 % :shit: 4.8 %
By Tubby Isaacs
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The GERS aren't very good. Some SNP heavyweights aren't bothered though.

Political heavyweights backed up by economic heavyweights.
Richard Murphy says:
August 21 2019 at 4:00 pm
I did what an auditor calls an analytical review

An accountant makes sure the books balance in accordance with the rules

A good FD and a good auditor sniffs them to see if they make sense

I was not a very good accountant by this definition (it is mighty tedious being that sort of accountant, IMHO)

I am a pretty good auditor / FD
Accountants don't just "Make sure the books balance". Nor do the people who produce the GERS just "make the books balance either". They do what Murphy says he does. And as far as I know, he's never been an FD (Finance Director).
By Bones McCoy
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:04 am

Got to be nearly all the Tories gone, hasn't it? Outside chance of Lib Dems becoming competitive in The Borders again?
20% doesn't get you much under FPTP - probably 2 or 3 agribusiness seats.

They'll get a few into Holyrood on the lists.
Though I'd still struggle to name any beyond Ruth (retired) Davidson and David (sacked) Mundell.
By Cyclist
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The SNP shows it's not just the Tories and the Daily Fail who are dirty cunts who distort the truth to serve their own ends:

Jo Swinson wins court bid to stop SNP 'fracking' leaflet

Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has succeeded in her bid to stop an SNP leaflet which accuses her of accepting a £14,000 donation from "a fracking company".

Ms Swinson asked the Court of Session in Edinburgh to stop the Royal Mail from distributing the leaflet in her East Dunbartonshire constituency.

The SNP's QC had argued there was no "substantial untruth" in the leaflet.

But Lord Pentland said a statement on the leaflet was false in substance, materially inaccurate and defamatory.

He said: "I don't consider it would be right for an official election leaflet which contains a prima facie defamatory statement to be distributed by the Royal Mail."

Ruling in favour of Ms Swinson, Lord Pentland ordered the SNP and its candidate Amy Callaghan to pay Ms Swinson's costs.

The SNP's legal team is considering an appeal....

...Roddy Dunlop QC told the court earlier that a director of Warwick Energy, a renewable energy company which holds licences for fracking, had made the £14,000 donation in a personal capacity to Ms Swinson's constituency office.

The QC said the donation had not been made to Ms Swinson personally and had not come from a fracking company, and that 80% of the company's output came from renewable energy sources.

He said: "It does have a fracking licence but it doesn't engage in shale gas fracking."

Mr Dunlop added: "We are in the midst of a general election. It is unlawful for there to be made a false statement of fact in relation to the personal character or conduct of a character."...

By Tubby Isaacs
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This senior EU figure must be very senior if they can overrule the leaders of EU member states, including some with their own separatists they don't want to encourage too much. As others have said, this is the old Brexiter trick of alighting on somebody in the EU and saying "There you go! That's the real EU agenda there!"

If Scotland wants to leave the UK and join the EU, that's for them to decide, and the EU would admit them in time. But why do Nats think the EU is particularly bothered about Scotland?
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By Boiler
The Nats seem to believe the Universe (never mind the UK) revolves around Scotland and thus they are of considerable importance to the EU.

Errr.... the whole country has about 75% of the population of just Greater London.

They seem to be falling into the same trap that England has been trapped in for ages, viz. it thinks it's far more important than it actually is.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Some of them are not unlike Brexiters. See also Angus McNeil, who does the old "Brexiter with Patrick Minford" trick.

Jez saw through Richard Murphy, to his credit.

Btw, not saying independence shouldn't happen, or couldn't work in the long term. Just think we need to be more honest about where Scotland starts.
By Abernathy
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I think Jess has rather mishandled this. Yes, broadly speaking it is difficult to imagine circumstances in which a Scotland independent of the UK would be a good thing. However, she takes no account of the changed circumstances of the UK that Scots are still part of - a post-Brexit dystopia that basically Scots never asked for, and that they were persuaded to vote No in the 2014 Indyref specifically in order to enable Scotland to continue to enjoy the benefits of EU membership. There is a palpable sense among, it would seem, a majority of Scots, of a real and genuine grievance (and you know what PG Wodehouse said about that). In other words, Brexit has changed the landscape for the independence case, and at the very least Jess ought to have conceded this point in an interview on BBC Scotland. If Labour is ever to regain electability in Scotland I think a more sensitive approach than was displayed by Jess here is required.
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