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By Silkyman
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#399684
The sad thing is, there are genuine issues he touches on there. Fathers being denied access to their kids (I have third party (family member) experience of this) and male suicide rates being higher because of the whole 'stiff upper lip' attitude (I've done work for an organisation working to address this).

But to come in with the mysoginist shite makes them sound angry and bitter, and dilutes any message they might be trying to communicate. Fuck off. You're not helping. Anyone.

It's the same as the 'men's rights' movement which seems to believe that they have the right to get laid for the price of a drink.
 
By Daley Mayle
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Why did a box come up warning that the website was 'nonsense'? I've read websites run by feminists that are equally self-serving, partial and batshit.

Like the curate's egg some parts of the manifesto are excellent.
We are pleased to present our general election manifesto. The document covers 20 areas where the human rights of men and boys (including the unborn) – and sometimes girls (including the unborn) – are assaulted by the state’s actions and inactions. In a broadly chronological order:

1. Abortion
2. Foetal alcohol syndrome
3. Genital mutilation
4. Fatherlessness, restoring strong families
5. Education
6. Employment
7. Access to children after family breakdowns
8. Domestic violence
9. Sexual abuse
10. Armed Forces veterans’ mental health issues
11. Homelessness
12. Suicide
13. Criminal justice system
14. Paternity fraud
15. Anonymity for suspected sexual offenders
16. Divorce
17. Health
18. Political representation
19. State interference in company director appointments
20. Expectation of retirement years
I think I'd like to see:
21. Start portraying men in adverts with the same respect for their gender as women are.
 
By Abernathy
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#399751
Isthis anything to do with the purple dads? You know, those guys that used to climb Buck House dressed as Spiderman or chuck stuff at Tony Blair from the Strangers' gallery?
 
By ezinra
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#399754
Yes, the founder is a Fathers4Justice veteran.
Daley Mayle wrote:Why did a box come up warning that the website was 'nonsense'?
Cos it is.
I think I'd like to see:
21. Start portraying men in adverts with the same respect for their gender as women are.
Respect like this?
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or this?
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(both of which are even targeted at women) or zillions of others?

Guess what proportion of creative directors in US advertising firms, in 2010, were men? Ninety-seven per cent. But, sure, an anti-feminist political party will rectify the problem.
By Silkyman
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#399764
Men in tv adverts do tend to be cast as bumbling fools who would probably burn the house down trying to make a salad if their significant other wasn't around to stop them.

(An almost total aside and posted tongue in cheek, but a while back I recall raising an eyebrow at an advert for some magazine with three women discussing the stories, one of which was an unfaithful husband. Cue a comment that one of them would get their own back 'with a pepperoni slicer'. Apparently hinting at genital mutilation is all fun and games!)
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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#399768
Daley Mayle wrote:Why did a box come up warning that the website was 'nonsense'? I've read websites run by feminists that are equally self-serving, partial and batshit.

Like the curate's egg some parts of the manifesto are excellent.
We are pleased to present our general election manifesto. The document covers 20 areas where the human rights of men and boys (including the unborn) – and sometimes girls (including the unborn) – are assaulted by the state’s actions and inactions. In a broadly chronological order:

1. Abortion
2. Foetal alcohol syndrome
3. Genital mutilation
4. Fatherlessness, restoring strong families
5. Education
6. Employment
7. Access to children after family breakdowns
8. Domestic violence
9. Sexual abuse
10. Armed Forces veterans’ mental health issues
11. Homelessness
12. Suicide
13. Criminal justice system
14. Paternity fraud
15. Anonymity for suspected sexual offenders
16. Divorce
17. Health
18. Political representation
19. State interference in company director appointments
20. Expectation of retirement years
I think I'd like to see:
21. Start portraying men in adverts with the same respect for their gender as women are.
You're being ironic, Daley, yes?
By Silkyman
Membership Days Posts
#399773
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:Just as a gnat and an elephant are equal, in that they are both living creatures. In size, however...
Surely we shouldn't ignore issues just because there are bigger ones elsewhere? It was tongue in cheek anyway, but if you did want to delve deeper, in domestic abuse against men, one of the biggest problems is that it's seen as a 70's sitcom wife having at her husband with a rolling pin, and oh ho ho ho, isn't it all a laugh.

The two adverts shown above are particularly bad examples. The 'hey, it's gang rape, but we look fantastic' from 2007 was rightly banned and as for American Apparel.. Whoever is behind their campaigns is a one-note hack feeding off notoriety. Like a schoolchild drawing rude pictures to get attention. That a brand can be essentially based on that is a pretty sad indictment on society. If they thought they could get away with similar images of men, and generate the same number of shock induced column inches, you can bet your mortgage that they would. (Hell, some of the Calvin Klein ones with Freddie Ljungberg and David Beckham weren't a billion miles away. How's that for an unattainable body image..)

But this detracts from the actual thread and how wankers like that actually detract from the genuine problems suffered by men that they claim, in passing, to be representing.
Last edited by Silkyman on Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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