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By spoonman
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#598020
State of play, 152 seats confirmed with 8 yet to be filled...

Sinn Fein - 37 seats
Fianna Fail - 34 seats
Fine Gael - 33 seats
Greens - 11 seats
Labour - 6 seats
Social Democrats - 5 seats
S/PBP - 5 seats
Aontu - 1 seat
Independents - 20 seats
Speaker - 1 seat

80 seats required for a government to form a working majority.

There's a chance that the Shinners might end up the largest party in the Dàil.

Fun note - two of the three elected TDs in Cork South-West, one from Fianna Faíl and one from the Social Democrats, are in a relationship with each other. :peach: :eggplant:
 
By spoonman
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MisterMuncher wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:03 pm
I can only just about contain my annoyance one of those throwback Aontú cunts got elected.
Peader Tobin essentially retaining his Meath West* seat mainly on a personal vote. It looks like he's going to end up being the southern Irish Republican equivalent of Jim Alistair and (previously) Bob McCartney.

All counts are now finished, and in terms of seats Fianna Faíl have just pipped Sinn Fein.

Fianna Faíl - 38
Sinn Fein - 37
Fine Gael - 35
Greens - 12
Labour - 6
Social Democrats - 6
Solidarity/PBP - 5
Aontu - 1
Independents - 19
Speaker - 1


*Not to be confused with Westmeath.
 
By Kreuzberger
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#598105
The toxicity barrier of Sinn Féin seems to have been breached in the results from last week's elections, but yet they are set to struggle to pull a coalition together. The Republic could be headed for another election.

Question: is this now Sanitised Sinn Féin or Sinn Féin/IRA? Has the last week's electoral success created a kind of social endorsement which would see a whole lot more voters piling in? What would that mean if the election needs to re-run?

From where I am sitting, Sanitised SF has the upper hand and that social social endorsement from this week's voters could open the flood gates if there is to be a fresh ballot. That is another question.

Another is that whether a rampant SF could issue the call with the E.U.'s backing (as a precondition for trade talk with London) for a Border poll, and walk it.
 
By The Red Arrow
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#598107
Have spotted a certain pink-of-face type making the indignant most of an SF winner chanting "Up the RA!" post result. Anglo-Irish relations are going to be interesting - what with English exceptionalism and Irish not-give-a-tossery.

Talking of which...
Relax, this is why we pay for Miggeldy and the dogs.
 
By MisterMuncher
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#598142
Kreuzberger wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:35 pm
The toxicity barrier of Sinn Féin seems to have been breached in the results from last week's elections, but yet they are set to struggle to pull a coalition together. The Republic could be headed for another election.

Question: is this now Sanitised Sinn Féin or Sinn Féin/IRA? Has the last week's electoral success created a kind of social endorsement which would see a whole lot more voters piling in? What would that mean if the election needs to re-run?

From where I am sitting, Sanitised SF has the upper hand and that social social endorsement from this week's voters could open the flood gates if there is to be a fresh ballot. That is another question.

Another is that whether a rampant SF could issue the call with the E.U.'s backing (as a precondition for trade talk with London) for a Border poll, and walk it.
A re-run would be FF/FG's nightmare. The Shinners know exactly where they could have carried another seat or two, they'll put on votes from people who will find them acceptable now, and they'll have momentum behind them.
 
By spoonman
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#598194
MisterMuncher wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:04 pm
Kreuzberger wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:35 pm
The toxicity barrier of Sinn Féin seems to have been breached in the results from last week's elections, but yet they are set to struggle to pull a coalition together. The Republic could be headed for another election.

Question: is this now Sanitised Sinn Féin or Sinn Féin/IRA? Has the last week's electoral success created a kind of social endorsement which would see a whole lot more voters piling in? What would that mean if the election needs to re-run?

From where I am sitting, Sanitised SF has the upper hand and that social social endorsement from this week's voters could open the flood gates if there is to be a fresh ballot. That is another question.

Another is that whether a rampant SF could issue the call with the E.U.'s backing (as a precondition for trade talk with London) for a Border poll, and walk it.
A re-run would be FF/FG's nightmare. The Shinners know exactly where they could have carried another seat or two, they'll put on votes from people who will find them acceptable now, and they'll have momentum behind them.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sinn Fein might do ever better if there was another election called to be held within the next few months, but it's also quite possible that they could fall flat. In most cases where their surplus transferred elsewhere due to not having a running mate, they mostly went to other candidates standing on left-of-centre platforms - an effective rerun could increase SF seats but in that scenario they'd be more likely to win seats from the Greens, Solidarity/PBP, Social Democrats etc. rather than Fianna Fail or Fine Gael and thus not taking the Dail on a further leftward shift.

The Shinners are usually good at playing the "long game" so I'd say that this sudden responsibility thrust upon them has taken them by surprise (the small-ish number of candidates fielded being the most obvious sign). The thing is, do they have the depth in the party to put up further competent candidates for another potential election later in the year? Also, while Fine Gael will probably be happy enough to drop back into opposition for a few years, Fianna Fail will have been burnt by the result last weekend - they've never been subject to such an opposition outflanking them outside of Fine Gael. But one thing FF are is a bunch of cute hoor bastards for whom power is their bloodlust, and will swing whatever way the wind is blowing to make sure they do their best to get it - not too unlike the Conservatives in Britain, I guess, except that FF really is a largely "big tent" party that has something of a left-of-centre wing. The main thing holding them back is, essentially, memories of 2008.

Also I spotted something else a couple of days ago regarding exit polling regarding wherever those whom voted for relevant parties preferred either tax cuts for economic stimulus or tax increases to better fund public services, and a surprising result showed Sinn Fein and Fine Gael voters to be remarkably similar in their preferences (if I can find the graphic, I'll get it up here) - maybe that shows a possibility that SF enjoyed a surge in support largely as a protest vote instead of the electorate taking a stronger left-wing turn economically? As they say over here, Sinn Fein in Leinster House are, wherever they like it or not, now playing "Senior Hurling" and can't deliberately be "Hurlers on the ditch" any more, essentially as they've been given a mandate by the electorate to sort some things out. If they refuse to do that, bar a stitch up between FF & FG somewhere which looks unlikely, the electorate would probably punish them.
 
By spoonman
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#614192
Draft agreement reached in the Republic for a new coalition government between Fianna Faíl, Fine Gael and the Greens. Looks like the old Civil War split might be about to soften - FF leader Michael Martin to become Taoiseach until December 2022 when Leo Varadkar is to step back into the role.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0 ... formation/
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By spoonman
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#614238
Jaysus, Varadkar is leaving the Taoiseach's office on a 75% approval rating, with Fianna Faíl's support collapsing. Looks like Sinn Fein will now be the effective opposition in the Daíl - time for them to step up to the ranks of demonstrating that they can one day be an effective governing party rather than be hurlers on the ditch.

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