Political talk from outside of the UK
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By Oblomov
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:08 am
It'll be very interesting where it goes after this. what kinds of services and experts could replace the police in what circumstances?

What jobs can only the police do?

Who steps in when thousands of unemployed cops turn their guns on other citizens?
 
By cycloon
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'Abolish the police' is perhaps the best/worst example of 'hoooo shit that's a complicated topic that's gonna get taken every which way but right'.

This stuff is so serious and so complex. But how will most react? With incredulity. Understandably. How to navigate that?
 
By spoonman
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cycloon wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:08 am
'Abolish the police' is perhaps the best/worst example of 'hoooo shit that's a complicated topic that's gonna get taken every which way but right'.

This stuff is so serious and so complex. But how will most react? With incredulity. Understandably. How to navigate that?
First and foremost: The image caption below isn't real! Ms. Bachmann never said this, but it's quite possible, indeed a near certainty in the current climate, that some libertarian wingnut might actually openly speak of it.

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By Malcolm Armsteen
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I've just watched a TV prog with Richard E Grant - 'Richard E Grant's Hotel Secrets' from 2012. In it he interviews an outrageously randy Alex Polizzi (but that's not the point) and famous hotelier Donald Trump. Who is charming, self-deprecatingly humorous and apparently self-aware when speaking of his germophobia and other peccadilloes. Doubtless a complete shit, but nothing like the monster we see now, just 8 years later.

Makes you wonder about Alzheimer's.
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By Arrowhead
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:43 pm
I've just watched a TV prog with Richard E Grant - 'Richard E Grant's Hotel Secrets' from 2012. In it he interviews an outrageously randy Alex Polizzi (but that's not the point) and famous hotelier Donald Trump. Who is charming, self-deprecatingly humorous and apparently self-aware when speaking of his germophobia and other peccadilloes. Doubtless a complete shit, but nothing like the monster we see now, just 8 years later.

Makes you wonder about Alzheimer's.
True, but Fox News is the more likely culprit for rotting Trump’s brain and filling it with poison. As with millions of other gullible Americans.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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cycloon wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:08 am
'Abolish the police' is perhaps the best/worst example of 'hoooo shit that's a complicated topic that's gonna get taken every which way but right'.

This stuff is so serious and so complex. But how will most react? With incredulity. Understandably. How to navigate that?
You avoid saying it yourself, for starters. And say you don't support defunding the police, but you do support X, Y, Z. After a while, anybody who isn't in the tank for Trump will say "Come on, nobody actually thinks that, you know what it means". Floating voters have been asked to take the President "seriously but not literally" for the last 4 years, so it's not a big stretch.

The phrase reminds me of "Open Borders", which hardly anybody believes in, and which the Republicans ran with, to limited effect in the Mid Terms.
 
By cycloon
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:31 am
Ahahahahaha so good.

I feel like the Native American examples (across the continents) are surely the most cast-iron examples of this stuff. That, and, oh, the slave trade.

But some people who claim to love history don't seem to think very hard about it.
 
By Abernathy
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The point has been made a number of times of late (I think by Bonnie Greer, among others) that the entire United States of America has been, historically, founded first on colonisation, then land theft, the genocide of native Americans, then the transatlantic slave trade and the obscene institution of slavery.

An ignominious beginning, to be sure. The legacies of those founding atrocities are, certainly, still having repercussions today.
 
By youngian
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As recently as 2017, most Americans did not support the movement (BLM) now, by a 28-point margin, they do. Even “your president of law and order” now feels compelled to institute police reforms, however inadequate. That counts as a glimmer of progress. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nal-shame/

Why has this happened? White people have seen the police as the thin blue line and usually support them after riots that follow a black driver getting beaten on the news. Here’s a guess; Police forces are encouraged to be self financing and can raise money from fines and civil asset seizure with bonuses for the cops. They follow the money so its white middle class motorists that are the easiest to shake down. They’re being caught up in police arrogance and corruption for the first time in their lives.
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