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#527366
The longer this goes on, and the worse it gets, you will see that number rising. I would guesstimate that in a years time it will be in the region of 60-65%, possibly as high as 70%, remain.

It will be left with the hard core loons who see Brexit as some kind of sacred cause, something which HAS to be persisted with until the bitter end, regardless of how bad it gets, a bit like the First World War.

When they are eating rat kebabs and fermenting turds for fuel, they will still be waving England flags and going on about "taking back control" Tools.
#527369
youngian wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:41 am
John Curtice's half time report doesn't show much shift in voting intentions (a small Remain majority now) but expectations have shifted rapidly since Feb 2017. 52% (33 in Feb) now think we'll get a bad deal and only 19% (37 in Feb) a better one than we have. Nearly 30% now admit they don't have a Scooby.

A majority now prioritise the economy over ending FoM (a lower figure than July but the direction of travel is clear) and a small majority don't care about immigration or believe it will fall. Encouraging considering the complete lack of opposition to Brexit.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/ ... ations.pdf
Imagine what we could do if the opposition leader could be bothered.
#527401
Theresa May has failed to get the EU to agree that Britain will retain a voice at the European court of justice in return for her concession that the Luxembourg court will retain a role in protecting citizens’ rights in the UK after Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... of-justice
#527403
cycloon wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:52 am

I still can't get the 'dream' of Singapore though. It strikes me as being a very, very different type of situation.
It's massively different, although it probably is a dream for the type of guy who writes for the Spectator.

Singapore is part of a trading bloc (unlike us, shortly), has a population roughly the same as Scotland and would be regarded by many Europeans as an authoritarian state. It has levels of income inequality that would make a GOP member's eyes water. Try introducing a Singapore style tax regime in a country with a population of over 60 million and you'd have chaos. Of course, Boris & Co would be fine.
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bluebellnutter wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:56 am
An interesting article written by a No Deal Brexiter in the Spectator

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/n ... eferendum/

Trust me, it's worth a go as it makes some salient points.


I'd want another EURef like a hole in the head but candidates showing their preferences in a GE like the 1918 Coupon Election would be an interesting compromise and it would concentrate minds: Do you want a No deal candidate from UKIP as your MP and running the country?
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cycloon wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:52 am
bluebellnutter wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:56 am
An interesting article written by a No Deal Brexiter in the Spectator

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/n ... eferendum/

Trust me, it's worth a go as it makes some salient points.
Interesting.

I still can't get the 'dream' of Singapore though. It strikes me as being a very, very different type of situation.
You could possibly throw a ring of steel round central London and build Singapore on Thames there.
Points North could serve as the production Zones of the Indonesian Riau archipelago.
Build casinos in Brighton and Margate to fill the roles of the Malaysian "hill stations".

Then start rationing accommodation, car licenses, reintroduce National Service, and ban a load of fun stuff.
#527464
John Humphrys is in full rejoice mode at his beloved PM's massive victory of conceding to demands submitted over a year ago. There's some good news such as full participation in EU programmes up to 2020. If I read the compromise with Ireland correctly it means they will accept a solution for keeping the border open outside of the SM and CU but if you can't find one then no deal. At least May called the DUP they were never going to let her government fall to risk putting Corbyn in No 10.

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