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Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:56 pm
by Oblomov
Do the "damage to democracy" denizens also acknowledge Russian interference in Western elections for some time now?

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:44 pm
by davidjay
Oblomov wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:56 pm
Do the "damage to democracy" denizens also acknowledge Russian interference in Western elections for some time now?
Fake news - the two most damaging words in recent political history.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:33 pm
by cycloon
Oblomov wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:56 pm
Do the "damage to democracy" denizens also acknowledge Russian interference in Western elections for some time now?
There's a pretty gross connection between Brexiteers and fans of Putin, Orban, China et al. They weep pure tears for the gilets jaunes, but haven't heard them saying a peep about Moscow or Hong Kong. Democracy means something for them, something introverted, uncompromising and rooted in key groups, not as a system for all.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:56 pm
by MisterMuncher
Said groups are rarely, if ever, much divergent from base racism and old fashioned national stereotypes.

They'll all cheerfully tell you how the Chinese and Eastern European types don't really want democracy, they need a Strongman in charge, and the protests are just fluff and leftie agitators. The French, of course, have a fine tradition of protest and rebellion etc....

Said sage advice will generally be dispensed over the rim of a glass, usually after an opening gambit that you're "not allowed to say this sort of thing, but it's true..."

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:23 am
by youngian
The Hong Kongers appear to know the difference between civil liberties and the tyranny of the majority. The Tories will remove the ECHR/HRA from English law soon and it will be portrayed as the will of the people taking back control.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:06 am
by Boiler
youngian wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:23 am
The Hong Kongers appear to know the difference between civil liberties and the tyranny of the majority. The Tories will remove the ECHR/HRA from English law soon and it will be portrayed as the will of the people taking back control.
And with that comes "we're sending the darkies home because it's the will of the people", along with "we're bringing back hanging because it's the will of the people"...

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:07 am
by Tubby Isaacs
The Tories Running on leaving the ECHR sounds like a good way of losing votes to the Lib Dems.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:38 am
by Boiler
But I can see it getting a lot of support; there's a lot of people who believe in vengeance rather than justice out there. And it contains that hated word: European.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:28 pm
by Boiler
Passing the local travel agent today I noticed from them, £1 buys €1.03...

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:40 pm
by davidjay
Boiler wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:28 pm
Passing the local travel agent today I noticed from them, £1 buys €1.03...
Cash machines are offering 0.88.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:41 pm
by MisterMuncher
I'm off to Cork for a wedding this weekend, and have pretty much abandoned any need for currency conversion at this stage.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:48 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Headline rate edged back above 1.08. Still in the Telegraph's "If Corbyn wins" disaster zone.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:13 am
by youngian
Here's a Brexit story even Jez could get some traction out of; Turkish army buys Scunthorpe. Why would a pension fund buy an insolvent steel plant?
Turkish army pension fund to buy British Steel
Turkey's military pension fund has reached a tentative deal to buy British Steel out of insolvency.

The Turkish Armed Forces Assistance Fund (known as Oyak) says it plans to take over British Steel, which employs 5,000 people, by the end of the year.

British Steel owns the Scunthorpe steel works where 3,000 people work and it employs another 800 on Teesside.

But the firm was put into compulsory liquidation in May after rescue talks with the government broke down.

Another 20,000 jobs in the supply chain were put at risk by the collapse of the talks between the government and British Steel's owner, Greybull, prompting a parliamentary inquiry. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49368217

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:22 am
by randomelement
No, there's something far more important and current to talk about, something that happened 200 years ago.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:31 am
by Kreuzberger
To diminish the significance of Peterloo is to highlight a fundamental chasm in one's understanding. At the very worst, Corbyn is having a stopped clock moment.