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Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:41 pm
by spoonman
Boiler wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:53 am
spoonman wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:26 am
The DUP won't announce a final decision on WA 2.0 until they listen to feedback from the UDA. An awkward truth.
Seriously? :shock:
Most definitely. Previous talks about getting the Stormont Assembly back up and running essentially failed after UDA representatives whom met the DUP told them that they didn't find the conditions acceptable, along with the Orange Order.

MM has mentioned some stuff, but it is quite possible that the fate of this new agreement could be decided by a bunch of Belfast based drug dealers, racketeers and extortionists. But hey, Corbyn and the IRA and all that.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:13 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
The idea of voting this through on Saturday, with no time to publish impact assessments, is absolutely ridiculous. If it gets through on Labour votes, they're absolutely fucked in the election afterwards.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:59 pm
by KevS
As several others have said, it may well be the case that what JCJ meant was "We've got a deal, there shouldn't be a need for any more extensions", and furthermore it's up to the other 27 to decide if there is a further extension.

That said, it feels like things are coming to a head this weekend. I suspect if next week Johnson or whoever goes back with the issue of a confirmatory referendum, they'll agree to it on the strict understanding that it realise is the last time.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:04 pm
by KevS


OK, that's it. Screw you guys, I'm going home. Farage demanding an extension and defending the Benn Act is where I draw the line.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:07 pm
by Tubby Isaacs

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:09 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Apologies for the source (Matthew Goodwin) but this is quite useful.

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Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:20 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Keep the Labour rebellion down, and Johnson has a problem. I'm not sure he'll get the Lib Dem there (Norman Lamb?) either.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:23 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Lots of those 24 independents for the deal will be the ex-Tories. Who are the others? Ian Austin and Frank Field, probably. Stephen Lloyd, the ex-Lib Dem. Is Lady Hermon one of them? She voted for May's deal, but the DUP will gobble her up if she votes for this. Actually 24 doesn't sound like a bad guess.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:43 am
by Boiler
Driving home last night I listened to The World Tonight and an interview with the Latvian Prime Minister, Arturs Krišjānis Kariņš.

He spoke much better English than Johnson does - a fluid and fluent delivery with none of that stupid, staccato delivery that characterises Johnson.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:20 am
by Bones McCoy
Louise Mensch now trolling Nigel Farage - what a week to be alive.

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status ... 1038660608

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:05 am
by Safe_Timber_Man

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:12 am
by Safe_Timber_Man
Aren't these two headlines, posted within an hour of each other, completely contradicting each other?



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Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:42 pm
by Safe_Timber_Man
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Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:32 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Not going to shift the Labour goons. Like John Mann, they can hide behind "Parliament" will decide.

I reckon it's lost. Owen Paterson might vote against on Unionist grounds, but the other ERG are coming in behind it. The whipless 21 (apart from Greening, Bebb and Grieve) will back it.

Re: Europe? And the Future of Britain in Europe

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:35 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
One bit of hope (and it's only 1 MP) is that Norman Lamb who seems to have been considered nailed on voting for it could vote against. It shouldn't be his sort of deal any more than it's Melanie Onn's sort of deal.