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By Messianic Trees
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Another disastrous idea in the offing:

May warns universities over high cost of tuition fees
Theresa May is to press ahead with attempts to force universities to charge less for some courses based on their costs and potential graduate earnings, despite critics within her own party and the higher education sector branding the move incoherent and unworkable.

Announcing a long-awaited review of education funding for over-18s in England, the prime minister will say that reserving university for the middle class and vocational training “for other people’s children” is outdated.

Her comments come after the new education secretary, Damian Hinds, hinted on Sunday that the review would recommend that some universities cut their fees for social science and humanities courses, particularly if recent graduates earned salaries below those of others.

In a speech in Derby on Monday afternoon, May will say that higher education institutions should change the existing structure whereby all undergraduate courses cost £9,250 a year in tuition fees.

“The competitive market between universities which the system of variable tuition fees envisaged has simply not emerged,” she is to say. “All but a handful of universities charge the maximum possible fees for undergraduate courses. Three-year courses remain the norm. And the level of fees charged do not relate to the cost or quality of the course. We now have one of the most expensive systems of university tuition in the world.”
By mattomac
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So reduce course length, that won't work, that will just put pressure on students even more and I'm not sure at what stage they will be supposed to either work to fund their education or gain the much needed "experience".

This is a government that did nothing to stop the changes to bursary support for nurses. Of course any course that offers lower graduate pay will be axed and Universities will only supply courses that they can charge top whack for, it's why Language courses have been decimated for years.

They should never have gone above the 3k, living costs now outstrip the maintenance allowance. I don't agree with free tution, I think those who go on to make thousands and millions should burden the cost for those who don't. No degree is unworthwhile, and to judge it on costs just leaves a poorly delivered higher education sector.

I personally would bring in a tax that covers all degrees and those making the most pay the most on a sliding scale.
 
By Messianic Trees
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Fuck-a-duck, what a stupid idea:

Degree courses to be ranked in price comparison-type system
Prospective students will be able to compare the ratings of degree courses, under government proposals.

Subjects will be given a gold, silver or bronze award, and details will be made available about post-degree employment prospects, potential earnings and dropout rates, according to the Department for Education (DfE).

The system is billed by the government as a way to provide potential undergraduates with more information to compare courses on offer at different universities, and to expose poor-quality teaching.

Sam Gyimah, the universities minister, said it would help “ensure that more students get the value for money they deserve from higher education”.
A DfE spokesman said the ratings system would allow students to make “consumer-style comparisons of degree courses” and “this will shine a light on poor quality teaching and ensure that standards are driven upwards”.
And looking at the replies, most other people have the same level of enthusiasm for this proposal as me:

 
By Cyclist
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It doesn't matter whether that speech was cribbed from a TV show or not - the message is spot-on.

Edit

Having thought about it, this is a classic example of deflection tactics. By starting an argument about the origin of the speech, someone (this Varsity account owner) has cleverly diverted attention away from the message and onto the messenger.

Ignore any similarities with the TV programme. Listen to the message. The message that someone doesn't want you to pay attention to.
 
By Bones McCoy
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Some junior tosser was on the radio on Thursday morning with his post-brexit suggestions for Higher Education.
No university should be able to open a course unless a local business is willing to sponsor the students.
So stupid I've not yet analysed it beyond the point of "Blinkered".

But it all feeds into the idea that a degree must have a measurable financial value.
All well and good if you can predict the median earnings for a job for the next 40 years.
I couldn't even start predicting whether jobs will exist or not in 20 years time.
By Andy McDandy
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Wonder if that'll apply to PPE courses at Oxford. Or if fashionable London I Saw You Coming shops will sponsor art history courses at the same, you know, where Tory wives make 50 KPY or so as shop assistants.
 
By Bones McCoy
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:39 pm
...or Mr Hand Job?
I'm sure the "retired in Thailand" brigade of readers will be keen to sponsor some international students.
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By Safe_Timber_Man
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Are there too many students? Almost half of young people now go to universities which spawn dumbed down degrees that equip graduates for nothing in life, writes DAVID GOODHART
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dhart.html


FJC33, costadelmersey, United Kingdom, 3 days ago
The majority of students who go to Uni now, just go, hoping people will think they are intelligent.
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emm, na, United Kingdom, 3 days ago
Yep! A degree is totally worthless. Everyone has one. Unless you're doing a course you actually need to do a job I.e doctor, surgeon, solicitor. There's no point what so ever.
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suzie, London, United Kingdom, 3 days ago
university is just a business now taking lots of money from our young, getting them in debt and our governments are fully aware of this whist importing cheep slave labour and pretending they care about migrants -
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Garrett E., New Jersey, United States, 3 days ago
Apparently this left-wing / communist takeover of university education is part of a plan called Fabianism. Causing our softheaded children to abandon the British and American free-market way of life for GERMAN socialism. Insane. Once we establish our trade deal and get you out of the EU friends, we will have to set to getting our young people's minds back.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
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Again, this is the reductionist paradigm of degree-level education. The only thing that matters is the facts you learn, not the thinking and research skills, the broadened horizons, the personal development. It's so fucking depressing.
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