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Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:17 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Well, well.


Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:34 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Big Pat's pleased.


Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:39 pm
by davidjay
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:17 pm
Well, well.

Have a Prime Minister who doesn't talk about girly swats maybe?

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:52 pm
by Tubby Isaacs


What does this even mean?

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:04 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
He's said literally nothing about the free school meals debate. But he has been on this crucial subject. I'm wondering how a report by the Runnymede Trust about what should happen is evidence of "white privilege" being "embedded" in schools.


Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:13 pm
by youngian
He's said literally nothing about the free school meals debate.
Perhaps there’s something about Rashford that doesn’t fit Godwin’s narrative about who the English working class are.

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:38 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
You wouldn't be the first to suggest that.

It doesn't fit his narrative of which party is in touch with proper British values either. He knows which side his bread is buttered.

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:57 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
And he doesn't know what 'pedagogy' means.

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:38 am
by Andy McDandy
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:52 pm


What does this even mean?
No pooftahs.

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:08 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Andy McDandy wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:38 am

No pooftahs.
I'm not convinced. It's easy to be complacent when you're at a distance, but do these "values" voters really care all that much about them? Cameron paid no obvious electoral price for gay marriage, just like Blair didn't for equalizing the age of consent.

Certainly a few people want to import US culture wars, but they've got far more roots there, through evangelical churches (even if there are hopeful signs of relative decline). But does eg Rochdale sit there tutting at immorality in Manchester? Does Leigh leave the pub early on a Saturday because it's got to get up for church?

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:21 am
by Andy McDandy
It's really a shorthand for something bigger. No metrosexuals, no clever people, no vegans, no uppity women, shut up I'm trying to watch this, no fannying about, no wimps, no people with glasses, I don't know how to boil an egg and I'm proud of it, no poncey drinks in pubs, no diversity officers, no long words, shut up you're doing me head in, no fucking French wankers, no cyclists, no fucking boring books, NO POOFTAHS!

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:39 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Ah, get you.

I can see that's what Johnson and Cummings think is happening. I'm not sure. I reckon they got lucky electorally with Brexit and Corbyn. There were obviously cultural elements in Brexit, particularly around immigration. But early signs are we'll get lots of that under Johnson too.

Funny how Goodwin's not been on the government's case about this immigration, isn't it?

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:41 am
by Boiler
Encapsulated neatly in a post I read elsewhere in a response to a right-winger:
(the fact that you use ‘progressives’ as a snarl word, to coin your phrase, speaks volumes doesn’t it)

Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:00 pm
by The Weeping Angel
It's also worth noting having read said article that it doesn't quite match what Goodwin is saying with several people expressing unhappiness or anger at Johnson and co. Also looking through his twitter feed he doesn't seem to have much to say about white working class kids going hungry.


Re: Matthew Goodwin

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:40 pm
by youngian
How does he expect a morally vacuous narcissist like Johnson to sell ‘conservative values’? I know its a dog whistle but I doubt they’ll be playing the immigrant card anymore as arrivals from non white countries are rising.