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By Andy McDandy
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Thoroughly agree with Malc there.

I also see something else at play - the for want of a better phrase, the "didn't say the magic word" argument.

It happens a lot, usually but not always from the right. When backed into a corner defending the indefensible (because to admit that the hairies, the hippies, the pooftahs might be right is unconscionable), look for the spelling mistake, the tiny factual error, the hastily uttered/typed profanity. Use that to shut down the debate, because in the immor(t)al words of Aaron Eckhart in the film "Thankyou for Smoking", if you're wrong, then I'm right.

So it is with "proper democratic channels". Care to define those, Priti, Alex? Put up a web page, issue a pamphlet. Let everyone know what those channels are.

But you won't, because knowledge is power. And as I've come to know after many years working in local government, knowing how to complain is a powerful skill. Knowing who your local councillor is, how to write a letter that will get their attention, how to bring pressure to bear without recourse to placards and demos.
 
By Oblomov
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Bones McCoy wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:59 am
I see an important movement, that should be focussed on flesh and blood people, getting diverted by statues of bronze and films on celluloid.

How easily we are pacified.
I've mostly kept schtum on the recent BLM happenings (as I am enormously ignorant of most of the hows and whys) but it does seem to me that their efforts are missing the mark somewhat.

Fine, graffiti that Churchill was a racist (because he was) onto his statue but this argument has become a bit of a cul-de-sac by just focusing on the man and not where he came from. Of course Churchill was a massive racist, he was educated and raised in one of the most elitist toff boarding schools in the country where it would have been drummed into him about the supremacy of the empire, the British nation and the white man in general. Why not push for a more egalitarian teaching of history in educational institutions that are likely to have pupils grow up into "men of destiny" that will be influencing policy and legislature?
 
By Timbo
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North Korean slave labour was openly and legally used in many European countries until as recently as last year (when UN sanctions finally put an end to it). Some of the companies using the slaves even got EU grants. Until the people responsible for that are properly held to account, I don't think anybody should be allowed to feel good about themselves for criticising a statue.

Slavery is all around us, and deeply embedded in our supply chains. Every one of us has blood and misery on our hands. Going after the statues and ignoring that says "if you traffic in human misery, then by jove you'll only be allowed a statue in your honour for 300 years before a sizeable body of people get jolly cross and calls for it to be removed." It's not about ethics, it's about smug self-righteousness.

Just my grumpy two cents...
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By WTF?
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Timbo wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:45 pm

Just my grumpy two cents...

Nah, man. Nothing grumpy about it. All you've got to do is look at China. If ever there was a country in need of a worker's revolution it's that place. Meanwhile, thay call themselves communists and we call ourselves socialists as we buy up all their tech and clothing products, cheap as chips, as they throw themselves out of factory windows.

Blood on our hands? Up to our fuckin' elbows in it. I'm surprised I don't have a statue some millennial wants to throw into Bristol harbour.

This shit has to stop. It is no longer enough just to vote against these cunts, we've got to confront them. Face to face, toe to toe, boot to balls. It's high time these fuckers learned that they are a minority. Let's see how they like it!

I do apologise, I have the weekend off and I've been drinking but those cunts piss me the fuck right off.

Fuck the Tories!

Stay safe, stay sane and never give those cunts a break, my lovelies!
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By Boiler
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I can think of a few people on other forums who'd kick off about that Blue Peter item - and not in a good way.

I see Cleese is kicking off about the removal of the 'Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers.
By WTF?
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:12 pm
...did you ever think that it would come to this? Having to explain this shit to our children? :( ...
No. I did not. I thought Ben Elton dealt with all this stuff back in 1986. Maybe those fascist cnuts are a bit slow on the uptake. Maybe reasoning with them is a waste of time. Maybe we should get a bit more emphatic.

Stay safe, stay sane, kick a Tory cunt in the head any time you get the chance. And if you're ever in doubt, always remember, Jesus Christ himself endorsed free healthcare at the point of delivery. Nuff said.
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By oboogie
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Sorry, I don't understand the surprise. This isn't new.
Every generation has to do this.
It's a right of passage. There comes a day when you have to put the toys away and go outside and lamp some fascists.
Our parents and grandparents had to fight them in the 30s and 40s. Then again in the 50s and 60s.
My generation had to fight the NF in the 70s and 80s.
Then we had to fight the BNP in the 90s and 00s.
We fought the EDL 00s and 2010s.
And our children - and our children's children - will fight them again tomorrow and the day after.
This shit never goes away for long, it comes back with a new flag but the same old bollocks.
So we have to beat them again.
But we do always fucking beat them.
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