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By larrylargesse
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#20045
Boris Johnson 'joins race for London Mayor'
Tory MP giving serious consideration to standing

Blundering Boris readers love him...

check out the support..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... rtComments

Go for it Boris! Better still, replace Cameron.

- John Phillips, Derby

wat a silly man ...
By jonboy
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I know a fair few people my age who wouldn't vote tory, but would if Boris was leader. His appeal seems to be because "he's a character".

Though in fairness, both he and Two jags are portrayed in the media as buffons. Yet Boris gets away with it whilst Prescott is derided. I can only think of two explanations.
a) Prescott is just a stupid working class person- one of the ignorant masses, whilst Boris, the very weatlthy Etonian is just a pulic school twit, with more money than sense.
b) Because Prezza is in office, in a position of power, he must take his job seriously. Boris, in opposition can enjoy an easy ride, and it doesn't matter what he says or does, because he can't at the moment do jack.

If/When the Conservatives get into office, and Boris is thrust into some greater position of authority and power, it will be interesting to see if they treat this "loveable rogue" with the same level of tolerance, and whether its just "typical old Boris".
By Sarah
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Boris is actually very funny, whether it's intentional or not. He at least tries to 'connect' with the electorate - he presents Have I Got News For You, he plays in televised charity football matches, etc. Prescott is just a miserable old bastard who punches people.

(See, my opinion of them is completely based on what the media has shown. But I don't especially care.)

One Tory MP did once say that it was well-known fact in the party that Boris would never be fired because he's too popular with the public.
By Antigherkin
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jonboy wrote:I know a fair few people my age who wouldn't vote tory, but would if Boris was leader. His appeal seems to be because "he's a character".

Though in fairness, both he and Two jags are portrayed in the media as buffons. Yet Boris gets away with it whilst Prescott is derided. I can only think of two explanations.
a) Prescott is just a stupid working class person- one of the ignorant masses, whilst Boris, the very weatlthy Etonian is just a pulic school twit, with more money than sense.
b) Because Prezza is in office, in a position of power, he must take his job seriously. Boris, in opposition can enjoy an easy ride, and it doesn't matter what he says or does, because he can't at the moment do jack.

If/When the Conservatives get into office, and Boris is thrust into some greater position of authority and power, it will be interesting to see if they treat this "loveable rogue" with the same level of tolerance, and whether its just "typical old Boris".
Because Boris seems affable and friendly, while Prezzer is abrasive and arrogant. I think it probably is that simple.
By larrylargesse
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well mailettes have worked themselves into a lather over Lord Snooty ,cripes ,by jove one is wanted as PM aswell...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... rtComments

He's got my vote.

- Mike, Coventry

yes mate from coventry...

What fantastic news; he'll be fun. Move over, Livingstone - Boris is coming!
Let's hope he does the right thing and scraps the Congestion Charge and the double fares on the Tube for people who just want to pay in cash.

- Maggie G, W. London

well I think 4 quids enough for one stop on the tube thankyou..
By mattomac
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larrylargesse wrote:well mailettes have worked themselves into a lather over Lord Snooty ,cripes ,by jove one is wanted as PM aswell...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... rtComments

He's got my vote.

- Mike, Coventry

yes mate from coventry...

What fantastic news; he'll be fun. Move over, Livingstone - Boris is coming!
Let's hope he does the right thing and scraps the Congestion Charge and the double fares on the Tube for people who just want to pay in cash.

- Maggie G, W. London

well I think 4 quids enough for one stop on the tube thankyou..
If he scraps congestion charging he would be a dunce, oh wait.
By sven945
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horacegoesskiing wrote:I don't think the reader wants double fares for fares tendered in cash. What they're getting at is the £4 single fare vs the £1.50 it would cost you with an Oyster card.
I've never understood people's problems with that. If you don't want to pay £4 for a single journey then get an Oyster card. You can put as much or as little as you like on it with cash, and as far as I'm aware, you don't even have to even tell anyone your name when you buy one.

What I fear with Boris Johnson standing is that he'll get a hell of a lot of votes for the wrong reasons. I think Boris Johnson is a great character in Politics, and if his presence as an MP gets more people interested in politics then it's important. But I fear that people will vote for him simply because of who he is, and nothing to do with what he'll stand for.

He's only one of 50 Tories who are standing for the party's nomination, so he's far from being the Tory candidate. He's even further away from going to the London's public vote than Jeffrey Archer was. Do Tory party members vote on who they want to stand? As much as I'm a fan of Boris, I hope that he doesn't get the party's nomination.

jack
 
By IanC
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sven945 wrote: and as far as I'm aware, you don't even have to even tell anyone your name when you buy one.
You only have to give your name and address if your buying online, or buying a Travelcard thats more than a weekly.

Exactly the same as if your buying a paper ticket using cash/credit card.
By Eurobloke
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Polly Toynbee wrote in the Guardian...
It would be as much a disaster for Cameron's Tories as for Londoners if this buffoon got to run the great global city

Polly Toynbee
Tuesday July 17, 2007
The Guardian


David Cameron has just made his worst mistake. He will bitterly regret the day he encouraged Boris Johnson to stand as London's mayor. What does it say about the desperate state of the Conservatives that they will put up a clown to run a great global city? London is the nation's powerhouse, and a city of daunting complexity. Tories running top City firms and Conservative boroughs won't find the Boris Johnson candidacy charmingly funny. Some may or may not agree with his rightwing views, but they will wince at serious London politics treated by the Tory leadership as a celebrity Eton wall game.

This will blow back on Cameron dangerously. No doubt the Boris bandwagon will be good circus entertainment, and his japes may be endlessly forgiven with one of his rumpled "Cripes!" apologies. But everything foppish, buffoonish and essentially unserious about his raffish progress through London will mirror exactly what people already think about Cameron and Osborne's Etonocracy. Everything they are trying to shake off will be writ large as Boris represents the Cameroons. They are struggling for gravitas but Boris will strip it away from them.
Of course if a monkey can be elected mayor of Hartlepool, Boris Johnson might be elected mayor of London. Jester, toff, self-absorbed sociopath and serial liar, the man could still win. Even Conrad Black called him "a duplicitous scoundrel", and he should know. But it's truly alarming that he who has never run anything except his own image could be in charge of this mighty financial centre - and some of the poorest, neediest boroughs in the country.

It would be good for London to have a serious contest: a third-term shoo-in for Ken Livingstone would be a miserable election. But it would be a disaster for London if a charming fool, with no interest in ordinary Londoners' lives, were to win it as another feather in his celebrity cap. If London is competing with New York, how does Boris shape up against Bloomberg in the big league?

The danger is that politics is so despised and politicians are so loathed that anyone who manages to seem "not one of them" starts ahead of serious contenders. It's why women candidates start with a natural advantage, according to pollsters. Hartlepool's H'Angus, after all, wasn't even a person, let alone a politician. Ladbrokes yesterday made Johnson's odds just a shade longer than Livingstone's.

But with humour and wit in short supply in politics, a little goes a long way and Johnson has a lot of both. So does Livingstone. Johnson would have the old "throw the bastards out" insurgency advantage, but Livingstone has earned respect with the bravery and skill of his congestion charge, his London bus revolution and his imposition of 50% affordable housing on every development.

Johnson's best asset is the devoted support of London's only proper newspaper. The Evening Standard - same stable as the Daily Mail - detests Livingstone: no surprise they gave Johnson front-page and leader-column coverage, with an article by himself (all about himself, not much policy) and lavish praise from the rightwing columnist Andrew Gilligan: "Boris has come to save our great city from Ken's ghastly empire of bureaucrats, bendy buses and earnest Cuban festivals." The Standard's never-ending campaign against Livingstone led to a famous fracas when he likened one of its reporters to a concentration camp guard: the reporter was Jewish.

But when it comes to gaffes, it'll be a no-contest win for Johnson who can't resist the temptation to be (charmingly) offensive in every column he writes and every lucrative speech he makes. (He earned more than £400,000 last year in journalism and after-dinner speaking on top of his MP's salary.) Can he stop himself making jokes about poodle-eating South Koreans and Papuan "cannibals"? No, but that's part of his well-honed USP as "not really a politician at all". Don't be fooled. Despite that designer shambolic demeanour, Boris is not called blond ambition for nothing, with a gargantuan appetite for everything: fame, women, money, praise - and power. There's nothing wrong with ambition; the question is: what is it for?

Underneath the whimsy and the Greyfriars pastiche prep school banter, he is a deeper and more passionately romantic believer in 19th-century Conservativism than most of his frontbench companions. He is not an embarrassed Etonian, but a Bullingdon Club believer. Perhaps because he was not born to great wealth, unlike Cameron and Osborne, he revels in everything elite - intellectual, social or monied.

Jokes make outrageous views acceptable, but the general tenor of Borisisms reveals his political cast of mind - the endless mock cockney attacks on "elf'n'safety", on children's car seats or, notoriously, Liverpudlians wallowing in their victim status. He hints at utter contempt for the NHS, with USSR comparisons. Though liberal on matters of sex (what else could he be?) and drugs ("I'm instinctively inclined to liberalise"), his politics are right off the Cameron scale. Here he is on education: "I am in favour of selection ... So is every member of the British ruling classes"; and on universities: "I believe passionately in academic inequality."

Just before the grammar school row he complained: "We have taken away the old ladder of social mobility, the academic selection that used to form a way out for the bright children of poor families." How will London parents react to the tone of this? "Masters of the Universe" should "endow new schools for improving the education of our feral children to reduce the risk of being despoiled of their squillions by a hoodie". As a rabid Europhobe, how would that play with the Olympics or the Tour de France?

What about Boris the sociopath? Apart from being caught often lying to all and sundry - he was fired from the Times for making up a quote - how has he survived the Darius Guppy scandal when he was recorded agreeing to find a journalist's contact details so old Etonian friend Guppy could have the man beaten up? How badly? Guppy suggested just a few cracked ribs. Later when Guppy was jailed for a £1.8m insurance fraud, Boris explained his role with: "Oh poor old Darry was in a bit of a hole. He was being hounded." Can Cameron really get through nearly a year's mayoral campaign by just laughing and saying, as he does, "Boris is Boris"? If he were to win, Cameron would be in a worse hole still.

polly.toynbee@guardian.co.uk
I would agree with her on him. Remember he was against the smoking ban and has made some very dodgy remarks in the past.
By Raskolnikov
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The Guardian has a great article by the well known political genius, Mike Read. The comments on the site are funy too. This really should be in the DM and you can imagine the comments they would get........You a and Boris should be PM etc.........

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/mik ... boris.html

Frankie say FUCK OFF LOSER!
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