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By Carlos The Badger
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#195552
Fucking vermin.

They voted by 334 to 251

Where do you get to see the list of who voted for what? There's 28 names I'd like to see.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#195553
Usual fuckwitted comments- edit, on the original link. not here.

Any word on Lib Dem rebels? The member for St Ives and nobody else?
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#195554
Kate Hoey, Labour MP for Vauxhall, suggests that Miller comes to speak to some of the older tenants in her constituency who are terrified by the government's proposals. She says it is "just unbelievable that a government would force people to move away from their family home."

Miller responds that the measures in the bill would not affect pensioners.


Don't read the Bill or anything, Kate.
 
By AOB
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#195556
This might seem a naive question but what's the point in anything going to the House of Lords for a vote at all if the House of Commons can overrule it if they don't like the outcome?

Exempt cancer patients from means testing of ESA


That's been overturned. 334 MPs want cancer patients to have the hassle and worry of all that red-tape shite hanging over them after being told they have a potentially life-threatening illness. So who are the 28 MPs who voted with the Tory shite?
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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#195557
I've seen a Tweet that they've voted that single parents will have to pay to use the CSA...
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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#195558
The lights are going out...
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#195564
AOB wrote:This might seem a naive question but what's the point in anything going to the House of Lords for a vote at all if the House of Commons can overrule it if they don't like the outcome?

Exempt cancer patients from means testing of ESA


That's been overturned. 334 MPs want cancer patients to have the hassle and worry of all that red-tape shite hanging over them after being told they have a potentially life-threatening illness. So who are the 28 MPs who voted with the Tory shite?


I thought the Lords couldn't overturn finance bills only- and shouldn't block stuff in the manifesto. But if, as this suggests, anything with monetary implications is "finance", they may as well not bother.

Lord Mackay (who voted against the CSA stuff) has said he now feels like the debate was a waste of public money.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#195565
So who were the Lib Dem rebels in that first vote? @KerryMP reckons they are:

Andrew George
Mike Hancock
Alan Reid
Adrian Sanders
John Leech
Bob Russell
Greg Mulholland
Ian Swales


George, Hancock and David Ward have done 78 rebellions between them. David Laws has done zero.
By mojojojo
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#195566
From the Guardian comments (and I don't normally agree with this sort of comparison)

HunterKiller
1 February 2012 11:17AM
Every time they trot out that line about people laying in bed with their curtains shut, I can't help but think of my street. My street where everybody leaves their curtains and blinds shut, especially when they're at work, because they don't want people looking in and deciding their homes are an easy mark for burglary. Of course, Cameron does not have this problem because he always has a police officer outside his home. I expect the concept of keeping your curtains shut for security and privacy has never once entered his head.

It's the most disgusting type of propaganda you'll see, actively trying to rile the nation's simpletons to punish people less fortunate, It's the kind of rhetoric Goebbels would have loved using, you can just imagine the black and white film showing the clean taxpaying blonde family, going out to work hard for the glory of the Reich, and then something catches their eye, the dirty house, garden unkempt with curtains closed, of course it's the untermensch, stealing from the glorious people, Time to cleanse the nation.



http://mindinflux.wordpress.com/2010/10 ... ropaganda/
By mojojojo
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#195567
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AOB wrote:This might seem a naive question but what's the point in anything going to the House of Lords for a vote at all if the House of Commons can overrule it if they don't like the outcome?

Exempt cancer patients from means testing of ESA


That's been overturned. 334 MPs want cancer patients to have the hassle and worry of all that red-tape shite hanging over them after being told they have a potentially life-threatening illness. So who are the 28 MPs who voted with the Tory shite?


I thought the Lords couldn't overturn finance bills only- and shouldn't block stuff in the manifesto. But if, as this suggests, anything with monetary implications is "finance", they may as well not bother.

Lord Mackay (who voted against the CSA stuff) has said he now feels like the debate was a waste of public money.


So that's that then?
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#195568
I'm sure I remember Michael Howard as Home Secretary getting beaten in the Lords, by unlikely rebels like Willie Whitelaw. So could Howard have said "I'm saving public money, fuck off"?

I really don't understand.
 
By Kreuzberger
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#195570
...and next they came...

They are beginning to make very light work of the list, aided and abetted by the simpletons and the Idiocracy (ta Malc) who will be next in line. Do these people really feel so secure in their lives that they do not for one second believe that the misfortunes of others might be visited upon them too?

Cancer. Unemployment. Profoundly disabled offspring. These are the situations that normal people find themselves in when they least expect to and these Tory measures are engineered to target them with military precision and cut them loose like litter on the wind. Why can't rational sentient human beings get that?
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