Discussion of the more serious side of the Mail's agenda
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By mojojojo
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Paul wrote:Image


this needs sorting !
That makes me feel physically sick. Labour should be putting the boot into Osborne and Cameron, and the Daily fucking Mail. Fuck worrying about being seen as Marxists, be seen as human beings. Has there ever been such a vile, vile campaign as this? I feel despair at this, as I'm sure we're all supposed to.
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You're up against this:
Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 1h
Understand Labour warning against political point scoring over death of 6 children. But is there risk of looking soft on welfare as result?
Sky News framing the debate again, there.

NB Sophie Ridge, yet another blonde, blue-eyed Sky hackette. They are legion...
By new puritan
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That's a big part of the problem. The debate is being framed by a combination of empty-headed, bubble-dwelling hacks and empty-headed, bubble-dwelling politicians. Have any of these people spent any time on benefits at all? It's like that bloke was saying in the FT - you just don't hear from recipients themselves. The media aren't arsed about them, and probably wouldn't know where to find them even if they wanted to.
 
By Abernathy
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Do you know what I find to be the worst aspect of this?

I don't actually mind at all that that cunt Philpott knocked out kids like smarties so that he could claim child benefit for them . It was only what was legitimately due, after all, as far as I can see - you have a child, you can claim benefit. If he really thought that was a smart thing to do or a reasonable way to sustain yourself and your family then he really was a special kind of stupid fucker. But in all conscience, you can't legislate for stupid, malignant fuckwits like Philpott. Particularly when you take account of all the good that universal benefits like CB have done for countless numbers of decent, hard-pressed folk, the likes of Philpott are pretty damned insignificant. I just can't get angry about it in the way that so many hard-of-thinking simpletons - the Tories' target constituency - do.

Okay, you can accuse me of having a relaxed attitude to feckless benefit claimants if you like, but I'm not saying that where there is abuse of the system, those individual cases should not be cracked down on - they should. But to call the entire benefits system into question because of one, egregious, once-in-a-blue-moon exception - and use it to further a shrinking state ideological agenda, which is what the Tories are doing, is not only despicable, it's fucking offensive.
By new puritan
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satnav wrote:Having watched Harry Cole on Skynews and Guido on 'This morning' up against Owen Jones I can see why the pair of them prefer blogging and writing rather than debating in public.
Cole and Staines are another pair of know-nowt bubble-dwelling cunts, and they have the gall to portray themselves as being anti-establishment. There's a limitless supply of these wankers.
 
By Kreuzberger
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Abernathy wrote:Do you know what I find to be the worst aspect of this?

I don't actually mind at all that that cunt Philpott knocked out kids like smarties so that he could claim child benefit for them . It was only what was legitimately due, after all, as far as I can see - you have a child, you can claim benefit. If he really thought that was a smart thing to do or a reasonable way to sustain yourself and your family then he really was a special kind of stupid fucker. But in all conscience, you can't legislate for stupid, malignant fuckwits like Philpott. Particularly when you take account of all the good that universal benefits like CB have done for countless numbers of decent, hard-pressed folk, the likes of Philpott are pretty damned insignificant. I just can't get angry about it in the way that so many hard-of-thinking simpletons - the Tories' target constituency - do.

Okay, you can accuse me of having a relaxed attitude to feckless benefit claimants if you like, but I'm not saying that where there is abuse of the system, those individual cases should not be cracked down on - they should. But to call the entire benefits system into question because of one, egregious, once-in-a-blue-moon exception - and use it to further a shrinking state ideological agenda, which is what the Tories are doing, is not only despicable, it's fucking offensive.
Not a shred of disagreement there. Even in the small scheme of things, the number of kids born to one household is a statistical and financial irrelevance even in their own postcode, let alone on a UK wide scale.

It is just simply nowhere near far enough up the agenda to be worth the debate that Gideon is now calling for. That very debate about which he remained strangely silent during the CSR of 2010 when Child Benefit was very much under the spotlight and by which time Philpott had already established a some-time media career.

Of course, it's all a pile of opportunistic bollocks but I refuse to believe that so many people are so dim as to fall for it. Wilful, petty, hate-fuelled ignorance is a far more plausible reason.
 
By youngian
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satnav wrote:Guido on 'This morning' up against Owen Jones
Just watched that and if the comments are anything to go by, they serve a different audience to the tabloids-

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/phi ... -uk-debate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By George Tait
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youngian wrote:
satnav wrote:Guido on 'This morning' up against Owen Jones
Just watched that and if the comments are anything to go by, they serve a different audience to the tabloids-

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/phi ... -uk-debate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Even over at Guido's blog, people were pointing out to him that he had been 'owned' by Owen. Having seen the interview, I'm inclined to agree.
By ACG
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National Anglia wrote:
but Independent columnist and author Owen Jones says no, blaming Mick Philpott on the welfare state is like blaming Harold Shipman on the NHS.
<Lightbulb switches on above Dacre's head>
Pretty sure I remember some people doing that at the time.
By new puritan
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Got to say, we're lucky to have someone as articulate as Jones fighting our corner. The fact he attracts to much opprobrium from the right suggests they fear him. And he has a genuine commitment to the politics - I don't always get that impression looking at some of his more lifestyle-activist peers.
 
By spoonman
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ACG wrote:
National Anglia wrote:
but Independent columnist and author Owen Jones says no, blaming Mick Philpott on the welfare state is like blaming Harold Shipman on the NHS.
<Lightbulb switches on above Dacre's head>
Pretty sure I remember some people doing that at the time.
I remember at the time of the Obamacare debate, I remember (though the name escapes me) a 'merkin right-wing commentator claiming that Harold Shipman was the result of "socialised medicine".
By Lord Brett
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George Tait wrote:
youngian wrote:
satnav wrote:Guido on 'This morning' up against Owen Jones
Just watched that and if the comments are anything to go by, they serve a different audience to the tabloids-

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/life/phi ... -uk-debate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Even over at Guido's blog, people were pointing out to him that he had been 'owned' by Owen. Having seen the interview, I'm inclined to agree.
Someone on Jones's Facebook page coined the phrase 'Owened' for these situations, which is quite a nice phrase.
 
By davidjay
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satnav wrote:Having watched Harry Cole on Skynews and Guido on 'This morning' up against Owen Jones I can see why the pair of them prefer blogging and writing rather than debating in public.
One of the great drawbacks of the age is that anyone can start a blog, set themselves up as an expert on any given subject and be taken seriously by the mainstream media.
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