Discussion of the more serious side of the Mail's agenda
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By Safe_Timber_Man
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The arguments are bollocks anyway. I've been hearing it all weekend and the double standards are just sickening. When a British solider gets executed there is national outrage and condemnation but now all of a sudden it's okay to do because they do it to us.

I'm also not convinced it was done out of trauma and mental suffering from the battlefield, or out of uncontrollable anger. He was able to come up with a nice little quote as if he'd played it out in his head already and was in a fucking movie. Not to mention scoffing afterwards about breaking the geneva convention. That's just my opinion and I don't for a second pretend to know what they go through over there. I just don't buy the justification/excuses.

What the Mailites and their ilk can't fathom is that being a solider doesn't automatically make you a good or moral person.
 
By youngian
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Daley Mayle wrote:Collins has made a good living out of war. He's on speed dial for whenever a TV production or newspaper needs a rent-a-quote.

I always think it is a bit suspect when a man leaves the army but still retains the title of his army rank.
Also quick off the mark is my neighbouring MP 'Colonel' Bob Stewart. After leaving the army he went to work in PR at Hill and Knowlton. Reasonable likeable and moderate bloke for a Bromley Borough Tory though.
 
By Big Arnold
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'Once a Marine, always a Marine', says UK's top commando as he backs killer sergeant and survey shows public also support him
His stance was revealed as a poll revealed that more people believed the commando should be treated with clemency than thought he should receive a mandatory life sentence for the murder.
I wonder what they think "mandatory" means.

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By Safe_Timber_Man
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Couple who took their children out of school for a week's holiday in Rhodes could face jail for refusing to pay fines
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fines.html

To be fair to them, they allegedly booked the holiday before the regulations came in.

Although:
Before they went away, the couple were warned they each risked a £60 fine for taking their six-year-old son, Keane, and their daughters Sian, 13, and Rhiannan, 15, on the break.
And then:
The couple were given an initial fine of £360 after the family of five went away for seven days at the end of September, but were unwilling to pay.

The penalty then doubled to £720 because they did not pay the fee within 21 days.
But they clearly pass for PLU because they have the support of the Mailites, and the Mail I think judging from the sympathetic tone.

What happened to the importance of education and following the rules? As usual, it doesn't apply to PLU's.

And of course, the best rated is "If it was one of them....."
blueboy, leicestershire, 11 hours ago
Yet religious groups often take their kids out of school at certain times of the year, for visits back home for weeks at a time yet not fined
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jhr, Wiltshire, 1 hour ago
Yes, there is one law for some and another for native Britons!
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wells1040, Liverpool, 11 hours ago
Why are these parents bejng punished for wanting a little bit of family time in their hectic lives. Yes, their children's education is important but so is a family holiday.
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Lou, Guernsey, 11 hours ago
I'm taking my kids out of school for a week in May. To take the half term week would cost us £1200 more! While we are away they will learn about conservation (turtle beach), history (ruins and tombs) and other cultures. They'll also be in charge of their spending money and will write postcards and a holiday diary. Last week in school my son endured 3 dance classes and 2 movies! I won't be justifying myself to the school board.
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By cycloon
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Arnold wrote:
'Once a Marine, always a Marine', says UK's top commando as he backs killer sergeant and survey shows public also support him
His stance was revealed as a poll revealed that more people believed the commando should be treated with clemency than thought he should receive a mandatory life sentence for the murder.
I wonder what they think "mandatory" means.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2kwDvT8gI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I was speaking to my uncle, a retired Colonel, about this over Christmas.

He had absolutely no time for the sergeant, and he said none of his old chums did either: all furious at him, in fact.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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My neighbour is an ex Warrant Officer 1 in the Marines (that's the top NCO in the regiment) and he reckons the sergeant deserves all he gets.
Quite apart from anything else if you start shooting prisoners your enemy will do it, too.
 
By davidjay
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:My neighbour is an ex Warrant Officer 1 in the Marines (that's the top NCO in the regiment) and he reckons the sergeant deserves all he gets.
Quite apart from anything else if you start shooting prisoners your enemy will do it, too.
This is something the Hang Muslim Terrorists mentality can't grasp. When you're dealing with terrorism the last thing you want to do is create martyrs.
 
By Daley Mayle
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What the soldier's CO said was:
'We will hold true to our duty of care and responsibility for this member of the corps family, and his family, as he serves out his sentence.

'Our mantra of "once a marine, always a marine" is not conditional.'
This comment doesn't condone the killing but reinforces the Marines support of the army 'family'. This includes looking after the soldier's family who are probably facing losing their army home.

This caring attitude isn't consistent. When my squaddie ex-SIL was based in Germany his regiment were serving in Iraq and when married soldiers were killed the regiment required the family to move back home in three months or, preferably, sooner. There were two reasons for this, to free up scarce army homes but also the widow being around other wives and partners whose menfolk were still out in Iraq caused morale problems. Harsh but true.
 
By Daley Mayle
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Have you noticed that since the General Election the newspapers (and TV) do not cover the repatriation of the dead as much? I remember NL complaining that it seemed a lot more soldiers were dying because of the way the news was reported:

1. Death in theatre (families have been informed)
2. Soldier named
3. 'First' picture of the poor sod
4. Media scrum as the soldier is repatriated
5. Intrusive photographs taken at funerals

In the minds of some (according to NL) that could count as five separate deaths.

Perhaps NL should have reflected on the wisdom of sending men into combat when they didn't have the necessary equipment such as sufficient helicopters and vehicles that might save more lives when IEDs are used but the Coalition hasn't had to deal with the negativity that goes with grieving widows. 'We inherited the situation...'
By Andy McDandy
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Thing was, the war was the thing to bash Labour over, whether it was from an angle of 'we would have run this better' or 'you should never have gotten involved'.

And of course, the media being massively right wing means bad news gets buried.
 
By Big Arnold
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:See also bringing back fallen soldiers for burial in the UK. Better if they are buried in-theatre (or at least it was before the 24 hour news channels).
In a conventional war where war graves are respected, I don't think it would be a good idea in Afghanistan.

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