[Malcolm Armsteen]

I suspect you are right.
As for the timing: intimations of mortality.

[Andy McDandy]

https://www.thenation.com/article/this- ... -thompson/

Not sure where else to put this, but a good article on the rise of the alt-right and the angry tendency.

[youngian]

https://www.thenation.com/article/this- ... -thompson/

Not sure where else to put this, but a good article on the rise of the alt-right and the angry tendency.

The biker outsiders were a phenomenon among ex-serviceman in the late 40s which suggest that the land of the free has always confined sections of its population to the scrap heap to fend for themselves.

An article along similar lines drawing Trump parallels with George Wallace's populist campaign 50 years ago
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[Andy McDandy]

I was drawn to the section saying that those who feel abandoned vote almost out of retaliation. Drew some parallels with some other things I've read over the years. Long story short, a sense of exclusion is the real festering danger in society.

[youngian]

While Hilary won among low income earners (mainly non-white) Trump won over among high earners (mainly white Republicans). What's their excuse?

[Andy McDandy]

My girlfriend's family hail from rural Leicestershire - kipper central (although they're not). It's an affluent area, nice cars and houses, relatively low cost of living. Probably a lovely place to raise a family. But people there feel overlooked. Wrong side of the M1, and nary a mention in the wider world. Plus people with accents in the pubs while your kid's on the dole.

[youngian]

Plus people with accents in the pubs while your kid's on the dole.

Foreigners with accents or smarty pants liberal types fanning out from metropolitan areas?

[Andy McDandy]

Both.

[Watchman]

My girlfriend's family hail from rural Leicestershire - kipper central (although they're not). It's an affluent area, nice cars and houses, relatively low cost of living. Probably a lovely place to raise a family. But people there feel overlooked. Wrong side of the M1, and nary a mention in the wider world. Plus people with accents in the pubs while your kid's on the dole.

Strange one Leicestershire - being born and bred, and still here! County staunchly Tory and Leicester with only one council seat not held by Labour. On one hand you have the "traditional" shire Tory landowners, ride with the Quorn (local hunt m'lud), etc, then you have the multiculturalism of Leicester. The real overlooked bit is around Coalville (my birthplace), as its name suggests was centre of Leicestershire coalfield and local economy totally dependent on mining, but once the pits shut everything went into total decline, there was EU money available, but there was neither the will, or ability to actually apply and use it. And now everyone just seems to fester but it never really comes to the surface, but could become a breeding ground for something more nasty

[lambswool]

Small world. Although my father was Welsh and I’ve lived for most of my life in South Wales, my mother’s family hail from Coalville. Some of them came to her funeral last week.

What you’ve just written, Watchman, more or less sums up what I’ve heard from them over the last few years.

[youngian]

My nephew went on a course in Coalville as part of his apprenticeship.