Discussion of article from the Mail's columnists and RightMinds contributors
By Paul
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The right wing media have invested a lot of time supporting Dave, Gideon and the rest, thinking the outcome of the election was a forgone conclusion. From BBC, Foreigner, Recycling, Met Office, Gypsy & Climate bashing, the list is endless in their attempts to create fear & hate. This may well play to the DM readership who lap it up, but they are a fading minority. Clegg is the man to facilitate real change and the electorate know that. The DM have been backing the wrong horse.

Anne, West Midlands 10.23
By Tom_UK
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They're being quite lenient with the comments:
This article smacks of desperation by a dwindling segment of old Britain. What are you so afraid of really, James?

Also, I'm intrigued to know why a photo of people swigging Corona is representative of 'convicts'.

- Philip Gillip, Bristol, UK, 21/4/2010 8:22

They really are getting spanked in the comments. Where is Yvonne?
In amongst all the righteous indignation and gleeful fury at Gordon getting the hump with the annoying old moaner was this gem from everyone's favourite bullshit peddler:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/electio ... cafes.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's not even slightly pretending he doesn't make it all up now. All based on "leaked policy documents" that no-one else has referred to or seemingly even heard of. Does he not think the LDs actually opening up drug cafes would perhaps make the TV news, and that it's just a *tiny* bit suspicious this story hasn't come up anywhere else at all?

What an absolutely tremendous shitbox.
By Tubby Isaacs
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It follows an internal party vote that commits the Lib Dems to making it ‘no longer a crime for the occupier or manager of premises to permit someone to use cannabis on those premises’.

The party’s constitution binds its leaders – in power – to implement votes carried at annual conferences.

Constitution expert, James Slack.

You often get contradictory motions passed over time. Do they both get acted upon?

This looks totally made up.
By Bails
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And he's back, being Slack with the stats over Ken Clarke's prison plans.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... inals.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's proved prison works by looking at the number of people in prison and the number of crimes committed. For example:
Recorded crime increased by more than 20 per cent between 1990 and 1992 - from 4.5million offences to 5.59million. Yet, when an extra 15,000 career criminals were imprisoned between 1992 and 1997, it fell back to 4.59million
Nothing else at all changed between 1992 and 1997 apparently, so the only cause for a fall in crime is prison.
Such methodology is not good enough
You said it James!
By Tubby Isaacs
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I see those crime statistics which you couldn't trust because they made them up are super-reliable after all.
What is certain is that, while the arguments rage, one group has been virtually forgotten: the victims. The fact is that, for victims, even short prison sentences do work. They provide punishment, and incapacitate the offender.
So when people like Ken Clarke say there might be better ways to reduce crime than prison, they've forgotten about the victims? Doesn't that bit about reducing crime kind of imply a concern for victims?

Devastating maths from the bloke at Civitas there. Again the Home Office is suddenly considered reliable, I see. He might look up average in a book. And opportunity cost.

Nice sighting of Philip Davies MP in that story.
By Tom_UK
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End of the road for clampers: Cowboys who prey on millions parking on private land to be outlawed in victory for the Mail
In a sensational victory for the Daily Mail, wheel clamping is to be banned on all private land.
Oh fuck right off! Where do they get off trying to claim all the credit for this? Local newspapers and pressure groups all around the country have been campaigning for this too. All the DM has done is bleat about it a bit now and then, and now they have the cheek to claim it's all down to them. :evil:
By Tubby Isaacs
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Slack's now trying to write heavyweight political stuff. Much of this is actually not bad by his standards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... tered.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He does of course think Eric Pickles has the power to get bins collected.

And there's this gem:
a promise to end the sale of cut-price alcohol was watered down
By Tom_UK
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Victory for the Mail! Clamping on private land to be a crime, DNA records of innocent to be taken off database and councils banned from snooping

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fence.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The Daily Mail has secured a stunning triple victory in its long-running campaigns against cowboy clampers, ‘Big Brother’ police DNA databases and town hall snoopers."
How fucking dare they claim the credit for all this? Local newspapers throughout the UK have campaigned much harder against clampers throughout the UK, with properly organised campaigns, and the DM has the cheek to step in and try to take the credit. Yeah, as per my post further up really.

Didn't you do this article on August 17th last year Slackey? Still trying to claim the credit for policy changes that are nothing to do with the DM?

- Frosty Jack, UK, 9/2/2011 8:11
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